Moving Backward Into Slavery

By Dr. Selwyn R. Cudjoe
October 19, 2011

Dr. Selwyn R. CudjoeAddressing the 15th Divali Celebration organized by the United National Congress Siparia Women’s Association last Friday, the Hon. Prime Minister offered the following remarks to her followers: “I thank you for your support, for your prayers and the adjustments you have made to your lifestyles during this period of the State of Emergency [SOE].”

“That demonstrates to me much more what it means to be put nation first and self thereafter, if reflects a maturing of the national mind towards unity and national will…” (Newsday, October 17, 2011).

Many silly things have been said about SOE but the above statement beats them all. How can the abridgement of our civil liberties, something we have fought for over the last two hundred years and something we should be fighting to expand, be seen as an example of the maturing of the national mind? It might be that since the East Indians arrived on these shores fully fifty years after the initial struggle for civil rights and freedom commenced that it is difficult for them to imagine how painful it is to see those fundamental rights melt away before our eye and then call it “a maturing of the national mind towards unity and national will.”

What in heaven’s name can this mean?

It is significant that the PM made her remarks in Siparia since few persons, if any, from Siparia have been held under the SOE and hardly any Indian women have felt the wrath of the SOE which leaves me to wonder if any of those women really understand what a state of emergence entails. I am also tempted to ask what sacrifices UNC Siparians have make the SOE effective and how do these sacrifices, to the degree they have been made, qualify as a major leap “towards sacrificing [to build] a better nation.”

It might even be an interesting question to pose to Stern John, a national soccer player, who was held just after 11 p.m. within a compound surrounded by concrete walls which created some logistical problems for the junior police officers. “Should we lock him up or not,” they queried? They locked him up anyway in the name of national unity and the maturing of the national mind.

Although the PM is a lawyer and is surrounded by other lawyers-the AG selected six of the most high-powered lawyers to guide them through this fiasco-she has little conception of what freedom entails, how civil societies work, and what constitutes democratic freedoms. Using a state of emergency to solve a crime problem which should have yielded to better policing is a blot on the nation. Even Hilary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, is demanding that Egypt lift its state of emergency so that people can begin to enjoy their civil liberties.

But knowledge is one thing, know how another. The acquisition of legal skills is an important accomplishment, but an understanding of the philosophical basis upon which a citizen’s freedom is based is the product of a much more caviling instinct. It does not come by a process of osmosis. Serious scholars of political science know that the development of the human personality and a respect for people’s inalienable rights lie at the heart of all democratic communities.

These are concepts that those who have not drunken deep from the cup of human wisdom rarely understand. And youthful enthusiasm does not always help us better to appreciate these concepts.

It is not for nothing that Dr. Martin Luther King’s bust was unveiled on the Washington Mall this weekend, the feature speech being given by President Barack Obama who recognized what Dr. King had done and what he means to the United States and the world. Dr. King learned much from Mahatma Gandhi about the power of redemptive love. He also learned from Gandhi that there are just laws and unjust laws; man made laws and natural laws, a distinction that any potential revolutionary must understand and be prepared to act upon. It is their response to and an understanding of these differences that made them great men.

There is no point in talking about the maturity of the national mind if one does not understand the fundamental basis upon which democratic society is built and the danger of pursing policies that are meant to divide a nation on the basis of race, religion and culture. C. L. James was correct when he reminded us that “historical tradition [and] education in the sense of grappling with the national past” has been sadly lacking in our societies.

Perhaps our PM should re-read James’s The Black Jacobins and the titanic feats of heroism Black people performed during the Haitian Revolution to ensure their liberation. Toussaint, the leader of that revolution, feeling a deep and passionate sympathy for his people, always said “it is always the blacks who suffer most” in any system that was been based on the enslavement of African people. The Haitian people sealed their liberation with their blood. Even today they continue to shed their blood to obtain their freedom.

I am sure that the people of Siparia have had their share of suffering. Yet, they cannot know what black people in the New World endured to be where we are today. Words, such as “the maturing of a people,” may possess a rhetorical flourish that make the PM feel she saying something profound but they are empty words. In spite of her histrionics, the PM and her cohorts do not really overstand that black peoples’ freedom is cemented in a pact they made with their blood. This is why we look back upon our achievements with so much pride and venerate the achievements of Toussaint, Dessalines and Christophe.

A maturing people understand that a respect of a people’s constitutional right is a supreme value. Anything other than this is stuff and nonsense that should be sho-shoed away in the wind and allowed to die an ignoble death.

50 Responses to “Moving Backward Into Slavery”


  • well said professor.I look forward to read your article it give me plenty knowledge.Can you listen to the attorney general speech to divali nigar on October 20th 2011.It rise my pores.

  • “I am sure that the people of Siparia have had their share of suffering. Yet, they cannot know what black people in the New World endured to be where we are today.”

    Well put black folks should not have been brought to the new world. The suffering for them was too much. I think it would have been better for them to have remained on the African continent. There the dreams of Africans far outweight any measure of suffering. In North Africa there was Eden and in Southern Africa a might resovoir of life. The African dream was lost on the journey to the new world and never regained. We see it in the ganglands of T&T and Jamaica to the ghettos of America where the blood of the innocent stain the grounds.

    The alternate option that I think the prof will embrace is “repatriation”. As the Americans would say “if you don’t like it here, get the hell out”. A one way ticket back to the motherland and the resumption of the African dream is quite possible.

    There at the foot hills of Kilimanjaro and the mouth of the Zambesi, the heart of the young black male can sing again. T&T black population is about 370,000, it should not be too hard for them to find a place back to/in the motherland. I will offer to buy some one way tickets for those who so desire. A few million dollars and a few plane rides will stop the spirit of victimhood.

    Perhaps the prof can lead by example to return to the mother land.

    • Mamoo which Americans said:(As the Americans would say “if you don’t like it here, get the hell out”.) If at all this was ever said Were they eligible to say such a thing, after all they Indigenous never told us African Americans such after all were were indelibly Allies and to some length family. A point of information: Africans came before the settler crowds and many indigenous were exiled the the Caribbean due to insolence and rebellion against the brutal Spanish. Another point: over one million Africans were settled in India as slaves and remain there till to day. Something you wouldn’t find in revolutionary Indian text books.

  • Mamoo your vision is as clouded as it is because you are up to your eyelashes in bullsh*t.

    With all kind thoughts and best wishes from a Black male whose ancestors sang, not only in the foothills of the Kilimanjaro, but were also the first to claim, tame and name rivers like the Zambesi and the Nile in Africa and the Ganges in India.

    Yours, not surprisingly is the lynch language of your Caucasian cousins in the KKK.

    You could do better if only you had enough class to.

    Try to begin thinking like an original human being, and not like a facsimile.

  • I would argue that Indians should not have been brought to any geographical area where black people were before them. Given the religious belief system they were bringing to such area, it was inevitable that the relationship would be inundated with conflict.

    Those who were dalits and untouchables in their home land, when they arrived in the Caribbean, in Fiji, in certain parts of Africa and met black people, realized that they could amend their traditional caste by assigning it to black people.

    You cannot expect a different view from Mamoo. The genes of the neanderthal ignorance are strongly entrenced in his biological and mental make-up. He exhibits all of the parasitical attitudes and behaviours of people who contribute absolutely nothing to the struggles of human kind for rights and privileges, but sneak in like an eel to enjoy the fruits of such struggles after the fighting is over.

    The thing is, if Africans were not brought to the Caribbean in enslavement Mamoo would probably be in Calcutta prostituting his daughters, or some where else doing the same. Again, although neanderthals have become extinct as a homogeneious sub-human group, the traites they passed on endure in the descendants of those who inbreeded with them.

    • “I would argue that Indians should not have been brought to any geographical area where black people were before them..”

      The difference Mr. Williams is you don’t hear us whining and complaining as to how bad it was when our ancestors came to till the land and plant sugar cane, rice, and a host of other vegetables. I worked in the hot sun and still bear the burning of it, you don’t here me complaining. Try working for one day cutting cane or planting rice, things I did and it was not easy. However, that is part of my history and the history of my ancestors. They came they saw, they made do and they aint complaining.

      In 1833, the British Parliament passed an Act to abolish slavery in the British Empire. As of August 1, 1834, all slaves throughout the empire were to become free to some degree — if they were under the age of six, they would become free immediately, but if they were over six, they were to be apprenticed to their former masters. Apprenticeship was finally abolished on August 1, 1838.

      My friend slavery ended in 1838 and African people still whining and complaining. I was doing slave work up until the early 80s. I think it is time African people get over slavery and remember that there is a history from 1838 to the present, that is a 173 years. A profound history of African culture and achievements, start celebrating that…

      Williams stop mamaguying yourself and make a better presentation on these issue. Or else you will become like class of ’67…

      • Your ancestors were paid for labor and not forced into free labor. By the way, in most Eurocentric nations, it was the stand that many brave African leaders took that made it possible for other monorities to enjoy the freedoms and prosperity that hey revel in today as they turn thier noses up at all Africans.

        • “Your ancestors were paid for labor and not forced into free labor” Curtis.

          Let me say that in those days slavery was not built on idea of monetary gain. For example historians estimate that between 10 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900.

          Usually you hear of the British slave trade but nobody speaks about the Arab (Islamic) slave trade. The slaves who came to the Western world were capture by Africans and sold to the British traders. They paid for these slaves. The Arabs on the other hand did not pay for any slaves but sold them to places where they made a profit.

          During the 50’s, 60’s African/Americans adopted Islamic names totally unaware of the brutality mete out to their ancestors by the Arabs. Totally unaware that the biggest slave trade estimated at 10 to 18 million (conservative) was going on for over 1,250 years.

          As for payment to slaves for labour in the West Indies such systems did not exist at the time. Slaves were instead given food, clothing and shelter. The importation of Indians marked an end to slavery, in some ways Indian people delivered African people from slavery because the British realise that the African people could not handle the hard work. They notice my ancestors were fully able to plant and reap sugar cane since sugar cane was found in India. So they introduced the indentureship system. The work was as hard as it was for African people, Indians on the sugar plantation had a slave driver who ensured that the work was done. They were paid a paltry sum but it was no different from slavery. The people who made the money was the plantation owners. To put it bluntly nobody got rich from indentureship. I can tell you my family was not rich and so to the other who lived in our village.

          • Mamoo, you are talking apples and oranges. Yes they both are slavery, but two different types and in regard to slavery in the western hemisphere, Arabs had little to nothing to do with slavery in the former European Colonies.
            Some African Americans during the 50’s, and 60’s adopted Islamic names. Some had them before. Many African sold into bondage already had islamic names. Get your facts straight.
            “As for payment to slaves for labour in the West Indies such systems did not exist at the time. Slaves were instead given food, clothing and shelter. The importation of Indians marked an end to slavery, in some ways Indian people delivered African people from slavery because the British realise that the African people could not handle the hard work.” First of all, Europeans didn’t pay slaves. They paid indentured servants who were only a step above slavery because they got paid very very little. The British for Example didn’t go to India for labor becauseAfricans couldn’t handle it, but rather because Indians were the only people willing to do the work for such little monetary gain. That was until the Chinese came. Perhaps the opium wars had something to do with that. The only reason why either of the two other groups ended up in the Caribbean was because of the abolition of slavery and the lack of cooperation of freed African slaves who were familiar with the economic system to work for cheap wages. The same thing is happening now in the U.S. in regards to labor and illegal immigrants from Mexico, central, and South America.
            The indentureship system was original introduced to lower class Europeans in Europe. You are not special, just ethnocentric and underinformed. Serfs could not be bought and sold, but they were subservient to their lords in a variety of ways. They (Serfs) were required to pay rent, provide, labor services, and be subject to their lords jursidiction. In the 9th century, it has been estimated that about 60% of the population of Weatern Europe had become serfs. How can you make statements about the history of and significant events in Western Civilization if you can’t even comprehend the Manorial system?
            You made a statement about a paltry sum in regards to earnings, but at least your people were diginfied with an income and were not robbed of their language, culture, freedom, and other basic human rights.

          • Mamoo, we all understand the significance of scab labour and I don’t see that anyone, even you can be proud of it. We were all victims. Don’t push that superior complex dotishness.

          • Well boy Mamoo, yuh good. Yuh even had me going for a while. I am onto your act. You make absurd claims and people (like me previously) would be wound up and of course respond.

            I know that you can’t take what you type seriously (at least I hope you don’t).

            But anyway, that’s all I have to say. Carry on. You’re actually rather entertaining.

  • Linda Edwards, class of '67

    Dr. Cudjoe attributes Dr. Mrtin Luther King’s struggle for freedom to be based on the teachings of Ahimsa-non violence, which was the essence of the MAghatma’s teaching. I want to set that search for freedom futher back:
    Jean Jacques Rousseau- pre -revolutionary France: “All men are cretaed equal, all men are created free, but whrever I ook I see them in chains.”

    This mantra was adopted by the American Revolutionaries in 1776 “We hold these truths to be self -evident, that all men are created equal, all men are created free, and are endowed by their creator with inalienable rights; among these are life, liberty and the pursuit if happiness.” The American Revolutionaries and the French Jacobins,inspired the Black Jacobins of Haiti, who war against France freed their country lang before Ghandi freed India. Christ practised non-violence two thousand years ago, and his last super was the first table where his twelve followers were to met as EQUALS. We tend to give the Mahatma credit as a sop to our Indaian community in TnT, but in fact, if he had been accepted as a full person in South Africam, in Johannesburg, he would not have gone home to India to begin reforming that state.

    • All men are created equal, but who do you consider men?? In 1776 to be a man you had to be white. All others were only 2/3 men and thus not entitled to be equal. We are all doing the Animal Farm routine to an article written by someone with an agenda that is divisive. We all have histories and the time in space, we believe, could never be repeated. We have to understand those who want to repeat history. What I can’t understand is how to recreate all the variables prevelant for history’s repetition. I can’t see it happening.
      Another misunderstanding of all the variables, Linda, is the issue of MLK without Malcolm X. Having lived in the north and followed Malcolm one can understand JFK’s obsession with MLK.

    • ..as of 67 wrote “We tend to give the Mahatma credit as a sop to our Indaian community in TnT, but in fact, if he had been accepted as a full person in South Africam, in Johannesburg, he would not have gone home to India to begin reforming that state.”

      Yawwn I find this idiot to be amusing, somehow if Gandhi is acknowledge for his work that will somehow be a “sop to our Indaian community”. That is the most stupid statement anyone could make. What Gandhi did was not only for Indians but it was for the world. Had it not been for Gandhi, there would not have been an MLK, or Nelson Mandela. Or millions of liberated people across who world whose liberation is owed to Ghandi’s liberated India. People found a non-violent way to resist oppression and that is the most important message Gandhi conveyed to the world.

    • “We tend to give the Mahatma credit as a sop to our Indaian community in TnT”.(LINDA EDWARDS)

      Do you really believe this crap?

  • Mamoo, that is no a bad idea. As a matter of fact, most people would like to return to the Motherland, even the 370,000 Trinis. But first, remove the how many millions of Indians, Dutch, French and all others who do not ‘rightfully’ belong to Africa, but who have claimed it as their own land and will stop at nothing to imprison the Mandelas of Africa.

    Then use your power to have them return all the precious resources of the Continent that they have enriched themselves with.

    • “But first, remove the how many millions of Indians, Dutch, French and all others who do not ‘rightfully’ belong to Africa, but who have claimed it as their own land and will stop at nothing to imprison the Mandelas of Africa.”

      Frontsman, nobody who is anybody wants to live in Africa for too long. Indians fled from Africa, I have met many of them over the years. I have met them from Tanzania, Uganda, Kenya and South Africa. Many of them were brought in by the British to build the railways in Africa.

      They left because of the brutality imposed upon them by starving Africans was just too much to bear. I remember meeting an Indian from Kenya and he was telling me the story of a young indian girl who was a doctor. She was kidnapped raped and murdered, nothing came out of the investigation. It was basically business as usual for the government.

      • Do you honestly believe the stuff you espouse?? I know of English doctors raped and murdered in the UK, French professionals murdered in France and on and on ad infinitum. What does that prove. I hope that you are not trying to prove that the migration of people are all one way. Where did you meet all these Indians?? there are people of all races and colours moving in all directions. And what is you point??

      • Nobody wants to live in India either apparrently. Thats why Indians have moved all over the world to escape India. What is confusing is that after they have escaped, they seem to try to recreate little versions of India in every place that they go and wonder why the rest of the world doesnt want that. Did the Africans ask Indians to come to Africa? Probably not so why complain about how they were treated? I do not endorse human rights violations, but I also don’t endorse human feeling that they have the right to just roll out of bed and go to another mans homeland and set up shop while thumbing their nose up at the native population.

      • I have met many Africans who have fled India s well. In fact, I have met many Indians who have fled India as well. What’s the point?

  • Frontsman, your response is civil, summative and insightful.

    I could only add the point that what is today called slavery, colonialism, imperialism, capitalism etc., and their financial methodology for acquisition and disbursment are simply put, brute synonyms for “thievery and looting”.

    Since no people, regardless of how ‘uncivilized’ would allow themselves without resistance to be reduced to the level of cattle, the most essential tool of the historic oppressors and their central banks and federal reserves are the means, legal, officious and technical to make war.

    To make, not goods, not education, not civilization, not culture, not any of these unless these were and are useful to further guaranteeing the criminal policies and practices of looting!

    Think for a moment of any country, continent or people who have not been looted during the past centuries, and by countries and peoples who, like the English, are today the benchmark by which the world measures civility and civilization.

    Today, in T&T, as elsewhere, if you want to destroy an individual or people you blame them for something. It does not matter how egregious, untruthful, absurd or unbelievable. Simply having the print and electronic means in overwhelming numbers to perpetuate over and over these blame-worthy lies, is sufficient to finally make them become ‘fact’.

    In Africa, the Europeans blamed the Africans for being uncivilized. In the Americas, the Spaniards blamed the Amerindians for being cannibals.

    Today, the SoE has in effect been a clever though uncouth tool by which to ensure not only the further marginalization of the Black population and through its youth, its future, but it also foretells of a time, probably within the next quarter to half century in which, as occurred in Chile, Argentina and much of South and Central America where Black peoples were more than 50% of the populations, there will either be no Black people in T&T, or if any, a few, no longer ‘perceived as a threat but as some tourist point of interest’ and at best existing within the cultural calculus of communities like the Santa Rosa Amerindian communities.

    The language of illiterates like Mamoo is the unlettered statement of a ubiquitous manifesto that is unfolding inexorably while Black leadership: political, intellectual and otherwise is either asleep, cowering, timid, amnesiac, co-opted, or sidelined.

    • I agreed with everything you said until “Today, the SoE …..” Do you honestly believe that “there will either be no Black people in T&T, or if any, a few, no longer ‘perceived as a threat but as some tourist point of interest”, or are you emphasising for effect??

      • I would wish it were mere hyperbole, and hope this to eventually be the case. However, other places in this hemisphere where once there were large, even majority Black populations, these numbers are now merely museum piece representations.

        In Argentina, the black population resulting from the slave trade during the centuries of Spanish domination of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata had a major role in Argentine history.

        Throughout the eighteenth and 19th centuries, it comprised up to 50% of the population in some provinces and had a deep impact on national culture.

        In the 19th century, it declined sharply in number as a result of the wars of Independence (most of the soldiers were black Argentine men), high infant mortality rates, low number of married blacks, the War of the Triple Alliance (most Argentine soldiers in this battle were black as well), cholera epidemics in 1861 and 1864, as well as a yellow fever epidemic in 1871.

        The reason why there were so many Black soldiers is that this was the price given them for ‘freedom’.

        By the late 19th century, the Afro-Argentine population was consisted mainly of women,and mixed with the European immigrants that arrived.

        With thousands of immigrants of Europe arriving to Argentine soil, and most black women intermarrying with them, noting that their populations were already low, the Afro-Argentine population faded into oblivion.

        In 2006 there was a pilot census on this issue in the neighborhoods of Montserrat, in Buenos Aires, and in Santa Rosa de Lima, in Santa Fe, revealing that 5% of the Argentine population admits having ancestors of African descent and that an additional 20% believes it could share this ancestry but is not sure.

        This research supports the claim by the Center for Genetic Studies of the School of Arts and Sciences of the Universidad de Buenos Aires (UBA) that an estimated 4.3% of the people living in suburban Buenos Aires have genetic markers of African descent.

        Today there is still a notable Afro-Argentine community in the Buenos Aires district of San Telmo. There are also quite black afro-Argentines in Merlo and Ciudad Evita cities, in the Buenos Aires metropolitan area.

        However, according to later census figures, Black Argentine populations were below 2% through a policy of outright genocide, warfare, epidemics, and unavailable Black men in comparison to the numbers of Europeans from Italy, Germany, etc., who migrated there between world war one and two.

        After the Naziis were defeated in WWII, most of them, with support from the US in exchange for rocket technology know-how, migrated to Chile, Argentina etc.

        Today, there are no Black soccer players on the national and regional soccer teams because of the utter decline of Black people in Argentina.

        The same circumstances also occurred in Chile and even in places like Honduras where Black communities come under regular threats by Mestizos and white Hondurans.

        • And there are large African/African Diaspora populations in The UK, France, Germany etc., including large number is all professional sports and the native populations of those countries also say that African and other populations are outnumbering them. Is this zenophobia??

  • There are times when some people appear wisest when they say nothing rather than try to be cute with thoughts that are downright stupid. Mamoo has shown that he is such a person and the least said about his choice of words, is the better because we have something more serious to be concerned about – the blatant use of racism to achieve a goal whilst at the same time charging and denouncing the prior regime with acts of racism. Racists are NOT innocent people, pretty much everything they do and say are calculated to get the desired response. Kamla is such a person. While people were afraid for voting for Panday, they promoted and voted in Kamla because they thought that she was more”acceptable” to the general population (less of a threat) but all one needs to do is look at her record as a legislator and
    Prime Minister to show her disdain for anything non-hindu. Whilst most reasonable people agree that we need a Caribbean Court of Justice, she is against the idea because she needs to be assured that there will be enough East Indians sitting on it, never mind they quality of intelligence of the the court, but the racial mix is her first priority. Her first acts as pm was to tell the rest of the Caricom leaders (not Guyana and Surinamme), that “Trinidad and Tobago is not an ATM”, a statement loaded with racial intent. Charging Manning with discrimination and getting rid of a competent soldier in charge of the SIA, she chose to replace him with an extremely incompetent, uneducated and inexperienced young hindu woman. As an ardent follower of Sat Maharaj, she implements government’s policy with all of Sats stated views and intents. Of all the competent Indians she chose to give us Devant Maharaj to run our Transportation service. She has publicly promised to build more hindu schools (not government). It would be interesting to know what percentage of the non-hindu lawyers get get contracts from the AG in his desire to become the chief prosecutor. In order to give us more of the same she had to call out Manning again to remind us how “racist” in giving scholarships to non-Indians. This woman is too much!

  • “Slaves were instead given food, clothing and shelter. The importation of Indians marked an end to slavery, in some ways Indian people delivered African people from slavery because the British realise that the African people could not handle the hard work.” – Mammoo.

    It is very obvious that this guy has no clue of history. He writes for “feel good” reasons and therefore chooses a path of self-appraisal to justify his own sense of self rather than follow the course of history as written by the masters (Europeans).

    • “It is very obvious that this guy has no clue of history. He writes for “feel good” reasons and therefore chooses a path of self-appraisal to justify his own sense of self rather than follow the course of history as written by the masters (Europeans).”

      Kian good to read your comments, I missed reading them for some time. Someone can only have power over you if you allow them to do so. The British ruled India for 200 years. Eventually when they were kicked out India became free, but the psychological effect of British rule lingered. They blamed the British for everything. Bad government, overbloated beauracracy, Pakistan etc. However, some sixty four years later, the blame British ideology has disappeared. Why??? After awhile you become responsible for your destiny and blaming others who are long gone is no longer a feasible excuse.

      Slavery died one hundred and seventy three years ago, isn’t it time that history be buried and a new vision emerge. The slaves were captured by opposing tribes, they would have been slaughtered anyways, by being sent away their lives were spared. In effect you are alive today because of the British slave ships taking your ancestors away from Africa. Break the pschological connection to your past. Australia was colonized by criminals, yet it is one of the most progressive nation in the world, they could have allowed their history to destory them..

      • “Eventually when they were kicked out India became free, but the psychological effect of British rule lingered?” Utter nonsense mamboo!Your Indian ancestors on de motherland , had a phony religious,and very class based ,discriminatory,caste system , long before mama Britannia arrived, and maintained it ever since, much to the delight of a few selfish elites, and their offsprings,and the disgust of those on lower echelons of the totem pole.
        Now where I might agree with you is that the Brits encouraged the differences that already existed, between Hindus, and Muslims , but then once they left , this was taken up a notch by rabid neo tribalist, on both sides of the divide.
        Of course, we know how that ended- perhaps with the most destructive form of historically unacknowledged ,genocides, that took place in the history of mankind, as millions of Muslims ,were slaughtered and forced out of their own country , hence Pakistan, and eventually Bangladesh creation. The same thing was tried in Sri Lanka , but my Buddhist Sinhalese brothers, don’t play, as the suicide bombing , once British cuddled ,Hindu Tamils, learned to their peril. Sing with me mamboo, .. where every creed and race find an equal place , and remember ,for the record, dat did not began two years ago ,when here Majesty Queen K assumed power, but was a carefully cultivated policy , as fostered for most of our 49 years of independence , chiefly by Afrikan Trini leaders- though flawed in many ways, yes?
        However , I digress , as usual in my haste to enlighten you , so back to the South Asian motherland. In short, the victims, became almost as terrible as their much adored European masters, once power came their way in 48.
        Surprise , surprise that the savages that dominated that region , are almost on the verge of indulging in WW111, as they both attempt to destroy each other with their nuclear toys, that made the vain leaders egos almost burst at the seams, even as millions desperate citizens , remain firmly stuck ,way below the poverty line- that no Mumbai laptops, and rolex watches can hide.
        Tell me mmamoo, don’t that make you almost wish that you were an Afrikan slave? Ok , I take that back – simply grateful , that your loving parents, came to Sweet, Sweet, peaceful T&T, and thus created you on perhaps the most democratic country on earth?
        Well, you can only admit this ,if you had a normal heart mamboo, that was not saturated with so much hate filled poisons, and can finally spell the word patriotism.
        Again ,luv country.By the way , Uncle Shah , my Muslim kindred brother , is firmly in agreements with my sentiments, as he knows that if life was fair , he would have been the first full Muslim President of our country. However, water under the bridge.

        • “Now where I might agree with you is that the Brits encouraged the differences that already existed, between Hindus, and Muslims , but then once they left , this was taken up a notch by rabid neo tribalist, on both sides of the divide.”

          Most indians whom I have spoken to believe that Pakistan was a bad idea. Why? Because there are more Muslims currently living in India than in Pakistan.

          The Belgium colonialist did the same also in Rwanda, when they created the Hutu and Tutsi resulting in death of over 800,000 in 30 days (makes Hitler look good)

          In Guyana the same thing ocurred with the British and Americans supporting Burnham. Who did more to destroy than to build.

          So always be weary of the dividers Mr. Neal, i notice you and some of your friends are promoting such meaningless divisions on this board.

          • mamoo said, “I notice you and some of your friends are promoting such meaningless divisions on this board.” Oh really mamoo? You don’t say!No my friend ‘au contraire,’ as even de blind would observe if they care to read all of my posting ,started since 2008,that it’s the other way around, for I know much better than you can ever imagine ,what is the negative impact of divisions.
            You speak for example of Rwanda , and Pakistan because of a book or some escapist , movie you might have read ,as for me , I have been in, or close to someone , who was in the belly of the beast. I stand by everything I say about fake victims like yourself , trying too hard ,and failing to convince anyone ,that their lives would be much better, had their indentured ancestors ,remained in South Asia.
            You said,”In Guyana the same thing ocurred with the British and Americans supporting Burnham.” KEEP chanting such tripe , loud enough ,and even you would start to convince yourself, that Indians suffered under Burnham, and that they did the dame during the years they failed to win political power. I know , as you need to justify the barbarian Jagdeo’s genocidal , non democratic foolishness, that is taking his country all de way down the toilet.
            Chede Jagan ,and Basdeo Panday , were cut from the same cloth . They remained, two delusional neo marxist BUMS, who would have been better served, pursuing the career they had in mind initially, one to be a dentist, and the other a two bit actor, as they both had absolutely no concept of how to engage in politics.
            Once they both were able to take their heads out of their rear ends, notice how the political fortunes of their party expanded to their people’s benefit?
            For the record , no Belgian can be held responsible for 800,000 Christians, being murdered by their fellow Christians , in a country that consist of only three tribes.
            What next, Britain should be blamed for Indira Ghandi sterilizing poor women, raiding the Holy temple of the historically neglected Sikh community, and thus receiving fifteen bullets in her skull by her body guards for her misadventures? Was it England too that told Rajiv Ghandhi, to try to be the regional hegemonic force in South Asia, like his crazy socialist mom , and Grandfather tried , and so interfered in Sri Lanka’s internal affairs, like the two bozos mentioned have done in Pakistan Kashmir ,so as to receive the blowback he did not expect , in the form of a suicide bomb.
            By the way , did you know it was your fatalistic Hindu Tamil cousins in that country ,that gave the world suicide bombing? Listen buddy, history is not your forte, ad quit trying to regurgitate the foolishness you heard from drunken grandpa , as a little boy about South Asia , as he too had no clue- being an untouchable an all- illiterate, remember?
            Luv country.

  • So Dr Cudjoe, do you condone the crime and violence which led to the S S.O.E.. Do you think that in a modern democracy society should be subjected to that level mayhem without an appropriate response from the state? Do you really view the actions of the state purely through racial glasses? In our democracy shouldn’t we be free of crime? Is this what Toussaint, Dessalines, Christophe, Ghandi, MLK jr, and others fought and sacrificed for? Is crime the freedom the great Queen Nanny and Captain Cudjoe fought for or Butler and George weeks marched for? IsCrime the backbone of the Nation Dr Williams fought for?
    Dr Cudjoe it is clear by your eloquence that you have some fundamental differences with the SOE, but I impeach the Sir please make some positive and helpful suggestions as to how we can solve our crime problem instead of trying to stir up racial strife. I believe that you are way above the recalcitrance of a Mamoo. He does not even understand what he is trying to get into.
    Nuff Said.

    • Derick wrote “I believe that you are way above the recalcitrance of a Mamoo. He does not even understand what he is trying to get into.”

      Derick the simple way to get rid of crime is simply to get into the heads of the criminals. Manning got into their heads but in the wrong way, whining and dining the criminal elements in best hotels in T&T. Even renaming these common criminals “community leaders”. There were no criminals when Manning lead the nation. All the deaths were simply “collateral damage”.

      The Minister of National Security have no choice but to get into the head of the criminals, that crime DOES NOT PAY!!!!. Once the criminals realise that crime will die a natural death. My suggestion keep the SOE pressure on and take out the trash.

      • Again Mammoo you use words just to show that you know them. Whilst it is true that Manning met with the criminals, let me ask you how many of those with whom he met is alive today?

        • Kian, not only is how many of the ‘criminals’ with whom Manning met are alive today, but also, how many of them avoid extradition by electing political parties into Parliament?

  • I am picking up on a point made by kian above in respect of Kamla Persad Persad- Bissessar and her racist tendencies.I am satisfied that it is the Afro-Trinidadians in this country who are their own worst enemy because they allow people to disrespect them left, right and centre. How else can you account for the likes of Errol MCLeod, Rodger Samuel, Little Black Boy Gypsy Peters, Emmanuel George, Rupert Griffith, Verna St Rose Greaves (how disappointing) and others that look like them, allow such a blatant racist attack, tantamount to inciting a race war, be mounted by the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, without objection. Forget “Look like me” Sandy, Anil Roberts and Jack Warner, they may have some special considerations. I say maybe. But the others, what excuse do they have? Was it a Cabinet decision? Was it just the little butter that was rubbed around their mouths. It was bad enough that the attack was racist but even worse that it was based on deception and falsehood, suggesting as it were, that it was based on a Report from, or findings of, the Equal Opportunity Commission that there was discrimination, and worse yet, that it was based on race! THERE IS NO SUCH REPORT! AND THERE CAN BE NO SUCH FINDING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. Moreover, THE COMMISSION IS NOT EMPOWERED TO COME TO ANY SUCH FINDING . And Kamla, when she gets back here, must tell the population from whence she got that document that she was jumping up and waving around in Parliament, consistent with the antics of the carnival character, The Midnight Robber. MORE THAN THAT SHE MUST BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE PRIVILEGES COMMITTEE for misleading Parliament. ENOUGH is ENOUGH!
    The Chairman of the Commission, Professor John La Guerre has made it clear that the matter was send to conciliation pursuant to the Act. The conciliatory process pursuant to the Act is a private one. This will be heard on Tuesday, 25th October. Devant Maharaj received his letter on the 3rd October and Dr Rowley’s letter on behalf of the PNM was dated 18th October to that effect. IT IS AT THAT POINT THAT EVIDENCE WILL BE TAKEN and a Report prepared. The other point is, it is ONLY IF CONCILIATION FAILS will a Report be prepared by the Commission, delivered to the parties AND BE PUBLISHED for public consumption! The legislation is found on the Government website and it is clear as to the procedure. So what, Kamla, a lawyer, and Anand, did not know that? And from whence came that piece of paper? The next stage in the procedure would be to send the matter to the Equal Oppurtunity Tribunal headed by a Judge and two lay persons, with full powers of a Court, for determination. What Kamla has effectively done is to undermine the function of the Equal Opportunity Commission a body established by law and the Tribunal, if the matter gets that far, with a shameless racist attack during a State of Emergency, to add insult to injury. She could have alleged Party Affiliation, she could have alleged Nepotism, you notice the attack, RACE!

    Ladies and Gentlemen, The Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago.

    • The facts speak for themselves, let us say if it was 7% Afros getting scholarships as compared to 93% Indos getting scholarship. People like you would sing a different song. Cursed be the person who lies to protect themselves. The PNM was racist to the core, everybody knows that, it is just being proven now.

      • Indians have been using the word “racist” for years now to scare African legislators into self guilt and it worked. Case in point, Manning gave in to the Indians demand when the ruling came from the “irrelevant” privy council that using the word “Trinity” in the Trinity Cross discriminates against them. If history is a guide, seems to me the more discriminatory of these two words is “cross”. “Trinity”, represents Trinidad (the country), “cross” is more irrelevant in that it is more indicative of traditional English award of gallantry rather than anything Trinidadian. The word “racist” is used to define system in which the effect is power for one side and less power for the other. If Mammoo’s scenario is to be believed maybe he can tell us by way of policy how African people benefitted by Manning’s so-called “racist” policy in favouring Africans?

        • No Kian The Trinity Cross has religious over/under tones. The cross is a religious symbol. If for a national award you have a cross, then there should be other symbols from different religions also represented in national awards. Then the discussion will be which one will be the highest. I am not religious so I would not accept any symbol with a religious background. “Where every creed and race find an equal place”.

      • Either way Mamoo, innocent people voted for Kamla becuase they beleived that she could create the change that they believed in. Many thought by removing the PNM that they were doing a service for the country. Many of them were not Indian, and yet they too suffer because of her. If a leader cannot address a social wrong without committing a social wrong, then that leader needs to be removed from power.

        • “Either way Mamoo, innocent people voted for Kamla becuase they beleived that she could create the change that they believed in.”

          Yeah boy ah understand you pain Curtis. O for the great and wonderful days of the PNM, where kidnappings, murder and bobol rule the day. I suppose you feel less safe under the PP…I think all criminal and PNM party hacks feel that way also. Welcome to the club.

    • Letdjurydecide, what we see under this government is a politicising of EVERY institution of government (with a small ‘g’)to bring into play a UNC or PP doctrine. This is dangerous for the future of any country wishing to develop into a stable democracy because of the poisonous infection of party doctrine. Our African politicians have traditionally ran away from who they are, at best they would acknowledge “those who look like me” but never to associate themselves with the tradition of their ancestors. Case in point, where is Daaga today? He has already gotten his pay off!

    • letdjutydecide:
      A copy of the report was sent to Devant Maharaj and the PM. The report was not made public, released to the media or to the Opposition.Your information presented is false.
      Since when stating facts and actual occurrences with proof considered racist. you people are too quick to fling wild accusations around.

  • ‘He knows the pathway of the wind. . . ‘

    (‘Rig Veda,’ I, 25, 1-3, 7-14)

    1. Whatever law of thine O god, O Varuna as we are men, Day after day we violoate,

    2. Give us not as a prey to death, to be destroyed by thee in wrath, To thy fierce anger when displeased.

    3. To gain thy mercy, Varuna, with hymns we bind thy heart, as binds the Charioteer his tethered horse. . .

    7. He knows the path of birds that fly through heaven, and , sovereign of the sea, He knows the ships that are thereon.

    8. True to his holy law, he knows the twelve moons with their progeny: He knows the moon of later birth 1

    9. He knows the pathway of the wind, the spreading, high and mighty wind: He knows the gods who dwell above.

    10. Varuna, true to holy law, sits down among his people; he, Most wise, sits there to govern all.

    11. From thence percieving he beholds all wondrous things, both what hath been, And what hereafter will be done.

    12. May that Adyita very wise, make fair paths for us all our days; May he prolong our lives for us.

    13. Varuna, wearing golden mail, hath clad him in shining robe; His spies 2 are seated round about.

    17. The god whom enemies threaten not, nor those who tyrannize o’er men, Nor those whose minds are bent on wrong.

  • My, my! hate begets hate, ok? If you analyze all the previous posts you will see an unbroken string of tit-for-tat hate sentiments. We’ve seen this movie several times before both in ancient times and modern – Rwanda, India-Pakistan, Nazis, Apartheid, Sri Lanka etc, etc, etc. All the religions have been singularly feckless and disappointing in promoting better human harmony despite their lofty claims, and in fact have often made things worse. There can be only one essential goal for human existence and that is UNIVERSAL HUMAN UNITY, period. Now before you scoff at this think of it : How the HELL do you think we’re to survive as an entity of nature if we don’t quickly find SOME new unifying, universal Human philosophical principle. The clear obstacles to achieving such unity is the natural division of phenotype (a.k.a. race), language, religion, and culture and customs. T/T is fortunate in not having language divisions so you can at least communicate your insults intelligibly, instead of the obscene language of communal violence.
    Long story short, not that long ago we had the COLD WAR and we came close to obliterating ourselves. Did we learn anything from this near-disaster? Nehh! The Cold War protagonists’ place was neatly taken by India-Pakistan, Israeli-Palestinians, Iran and other lesser players. It’s obvious that there is no one in charge on this planet even though the religions (all of them) try to arrogate to themselves some authority they say they get from God, Allah, or other deities. So long as we keep listening to these pretenders and refuse to think for ourselves, we’re (and I mean ALL AH WE, worldwide) are going to be perenially at each others’ throats. It’s finally time to TRY to climb above the animal, the APE, and evolve into true universal HUMANHOOD. Time’s running out, folks.

  • In a nutshell, Mamoo has issues that cannot be resolved by his tunnel vision and self centred approach. He is misguided, uniformed and clouded by racism to the highest level. maybe sending him back to India to face the biasness of the class and caste system may open his eyes.

    People like mamoo without a vision will perish if change in his way of thinking does not occur

  • Indians have been using the word “racist” for years now to scare African legislators into self guilt and it worked. Case in point, Manning gave in to the Indians demand when the ruling came from the “irrelevant” privy council that using the word “Trinity” in the Trinity Cross discriminates against them. If history is a guide, seems to me the more discriminatory of these two words is “cross”. “Trinity”, represents Trinidad (the country), “cross” is more irrelevant in that it is more indicative of traditional English award of gallantry rather than anything Trinidadian. The word “racist” is used to define system in which the effect is power for one side and less power for the other. If Mammoo’s scenario is to be believed maybe he can tell us by way of policy how African people benefitted by Manning’s so-called “racist” policy in favouring Africans?

    And when they have suceeded they have done so because we generally deem in politically incorrect to speak truth to their backward and deceitful ploy. Why do Africans allow people whose religious and cultural belief systems gave racism to this world? Why do Africans allow these charlattans to displace their heriditary traites upon us?

    Yes, the try to put us on guilt trip s in order to get their gace and eat it too. But they only suceed if we are willing to accept the guilt. Everyone on this blog recognizes that I am not, that I will never, and that I will fill these pages with historical evidence that set the record straight. You cannot deal with a snake by patting it on the head. Humans and snakes cannot exist in the same environment without one biting one’s heal and the other crushing one’s head in a manner of speaking. Let the Mamoo’s and the T-Man’s keep their racist cultural legacy, we have no entitlement to it. We have never followed them anywhere, they are the ones who follow us all over the damn planet like parasites.

    • This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.her we go again. Keith Williams has the same response to every issue! “Indians are parasites, congenital racists, snakes,with cultural belief systems which gave rise to racism”.
      This hate language should be censored by the editors of this website. In many countries language of this type would be considered hate language and those responsible for its usage would be prosecuted.

  • Well ,I’ll be …. d , and ain;t dis something? The selectively outraged T-man , who just 3 days ago ,referred to Afrikan peoples leaders , as ‘criminal cuddling, Neanderthals,’ now claimed ,”This hate language should be censored by the editors of this website.”
    That’s where you are wrong T-Man, for in my country which since 1962 ,remained the most Democratic on earth , bar none , even the phony pretenders,and we will continually treasure our freedom of speech.
    As such , we have no problem when present day Minister of Education , got so perturb, that one of his students was passed over in an interview for a job at the POS hospital ,because it probably went instead to a Nigerian / Cuban , he ran on to the International stage ,and claim that his country was controlled by a bunch of genocidal maniacs, that used the police to do their biddings , including try to arrest a questionable CJ , as was their duty, before he was saved by his British ,Privy Council pals, and frat brothers.
    We live with the fact that less than 24 hours into her reign , Her majesty , Queen K, began a comprehensive purge of the said police service, only to saddle the men and woman ,with a Canadian foreign suspect expert, that some are concluding , was probably ,interviewed / vetted for the head honcho job, months in advance.
    We have no problem when certain ,now publicly dignified leaders , once promised in a heated moment , during that famous run to power , that “blood will run like water in our streets,” if a certain party was not elected.
    We know you left T&T like numerous others in 1986 ,for a much safer life , in that freedom loving country,referred to as Canada , and is enjoying life to it’s fullest, as you should, since all the basic rights as enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are uphold , and their Constitution treasured , so therefor , please allow the people of your former country , T&T ,to likewise enjoy those freedoms , irrespective of how ugly , and sometime offensive ,it might appear, on the surface.
    In essence , Luv Humanity , and forget de tribe, yes?

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