Ruminations on religion

By Raffique Shah
September 28, 2015

Raffique ShahNot being a religious person, I must confess that religion (used here collectively) confuses me, and quite often frightens me.

Mark you, I am not disrespectful towards religion or religious persons. If I were, I’d be alienated from most of my family, relatives, friends and fellow-citizens, almost all of whom are praying people who belong to one faith or other among the scores that form the tapestry of this cosmopolitan country.

I respect people’s right to believe, just as I expect them to respect my right not to believe.

But I am confused by many things religious persons say and do. As I noted, ours is a deeply religious society, one in which most people pray to God in one form or other at least once a day. Many of my Muslim brethren pray five times daily. In some faiths, devotees pray non-stop for days, as part of rituals. And most religions host communal prayers at least once weekly.

Upon taking up office recently, Prime Minister Keith Rowley summoned clerics from every recognised religion to pray with him at his office. He declared Republic Day a day of prayers and called on the nation to observe it as such.

The day of prayers coincided with the holiest day on the Islamic calendar, Eid ul Adha, when the billion-or-so Muslims around the world prayed and conducted sacrifices.

That ex-Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar did not join him at the convocation at the Savannah does not mean that she and her colleagues did not observe the occasion. She is among the very rare breed, the bi-religious, a practising Hindu and a Baptist. So we can safely assume that one way or other, she was in deep prayers last Thursday.

During her five-year tenure, the lady had often declared national days of prayers, which has been one common feature among almost every Government that ruled the country with the notable exception of Dr Eric Williams’. He did not care much for religion and prayers, although like me, he respected other people’s faiths and practices.

So, with prayers echoing across the country day and night, from the mouths, and hopefully hearts, of the vast majority of citizens, you would think that God, Jah, Allah, Ram, Ogun, the deity by whatever name he is called, would shower blessings of peace, harmony and prosperity on the nation.

I suppose believers would say we are a blessed nation, endowed with rich resources that afford us a decent standard of living. And although there is a significant minority who fan the flames of discord, the nation has been spared the racial and communal explosions we see in so many other countries.


But is that all we get in return for so many faiths, so much prayers?

Why are we burdened with a never-ending cycle of crime, notably cold-blooded murders, that is bleeding us dry, siphoning the lifeblood of the mostly young, though not necessarily innocent, in the society?

Why the callousness towards life, be it infants and toddlers suffering in squalor, the infirm unable to access medical treatment, or the aged having to endure their misnamed “golden years” in abandonment and suffering?

This while the so-called white collar criminals, the godfathers of street crime (the real drug dealers and gunrunners) and pilferers of the public purse, live in luxury, enjoying preferred pews in class-conscious churches, or blessings from imams and pundits for their generous contributions to mosques and mandirs, tainted money all of it.

When, pray tell, will we see any of these demons brought to justice, made to pay for their crimes against country, against humanity?

This is where I return to religion, to the clerics who tell us ask and it will be given, seek and ye shall find.

The whole damn country has been asking, seeking, pleading for the day we can see these purveyors of theft and death and destruction slammed into dank cells that, for centuries, have been the domain of only poor black people, albeit some evil ones.

Instead, we see them walking tall in communities where their guns render them immune from police bullets or prosecution, or being driven in their limousines, untouchables of an elite order.

These contradictions between the biblical Word and Flesh have me confused.

I must confess that Pope Francis’ portrayal of Christ as both the Redeemer and the Liberator is the best thing to have happened to the Catholic Church since the era of Archbishops Camara of Recife and Romero of San Salvador, the latter murdered by the military while administering to the poor.

Still, when 700 Muslim pilgrims are crushed to death as they stone Satan, I retreat into the ranks of those of little or no faith, from whence I continue my ruminations.

42 thoughts on “Ruminations on religion”

  1. Those people whose conscience you are trying to appeal to are just souls in evolution; they are not even remotely aware of the unnecessary pain and suffering they have created, because if they were aware, they would never have done the evil things that they have done. The good news is that one day they will have to wrestle with their own conscience when it suddenly awakens, and I say, may the Gods give them the strength to deal with what’s to come their way!

    Wake them up Shah!

  2. Rafique: (Rafiq) Reserved secretive man shrouded in mystery and hardly impulsive.
    Shah: Sadhu Sahu.. A Gentleman.
    See The Gita Ch 4 Vrs 13. But faith exists. Good piece.

  3. It used to be that religion and religious behavior were very personal habit and ritual that one experienced with himself/herself and God. It used to be that the IRO represented the coming together of beliefs that were not necessarily in sync but individual beliefs one one’s conviction and commitment. But as time went by we became religiously correct by not wanting to offend and blaspheme one’s faith, even if it ran contrary one the gospel of Jesus Christ and western civilization. These last five years have enlightened us to the phoniness of how religion is viewed from a political and social viewpoint. Politically, public meetings were started by prayers being said in languages that were foreign to our ears and conscience, yet we accepted it as “holy”. For that matter, we never even knew what God was being prayed to, as long as there was an “Amen”. I remember during the hunger strike of Wayne Kublalsingh, the then Prime Minister Kamla Persad Bissessar dispatched the then President of the IRO, Pundit Maharaj to visit Mr. Kublalsingh and report to her on his condition. This one act to me has defeated everything that religion stood for. Religion, to was an act of beliefs and conscience emanating from doctrine of creation and godly worship. But when the political directorate called upon them to ‘moralalize’ on a social act of disobedience then report to her, I found it dis-concerting and out of tune with the practice of religion. Instead it was the political directorate making demands on religion to act on its behalf. In other words religion was being used on the behest of politicians. This made no religious sense and and it showed a total lack of separation of church and state. Re,ligioysity should not wait to be summoned by the secular sector to tell it when and how to exercise its moral and social acts of responsibility, it should do that on its own. I find it too unwise when religions become
    the dictate of politics. When Barbara Burke of the Baptist religion become so enshrined with the lure of politics that she depended on them for a way out, that to me is longer the worshipping of the holy father but the ;sure of the almighty dollar. When Winston Cuffy became so entangled with the politics that he had preferences other than the Almighty God of who should govern, then I know that we are now experiencing frauds draped in religious garments. When members of Parliament determined which god they wanted to pledge allegiance to, then I know that religion meant meant nothing more than an act of convenience. Why can’t members of Parllament pledge allegiance to the same concept of governance? I had problems with Kamla when she insisted that her “hands are clean and her heart is pure”, I had problems with her sincerity but, then again, I had to ask myself which God did she pledge allegiance to? Obviously it couldn’t be the same God that I sincerely prayed to every morning and night! How then do we get religion to be sincere and be of service to their natural flock? That is any one’s guess and I really don’t know how we can be true to our God and our beliefs anymore.

    1. Kian,after years of research and exchange of ideas with people of different religious views;I am convinced that there is “one God”…This is my position:”recpect” Although,two or more people disagree about “belief,faith,etc…(which is normal)we “must respect each other’s commitment” respect does not mean I am in agreement……God bless!

  4. WHERE IS NEAL? I must say that I do miss Neal. He was such an inspiration to us all for such a long time and he had so much to say about the elections of 2015. That time have come and passed and there is no Neal! Neal, wherever you are and if you are reading this blog please let us know that you are OK. God Bless!

  5. Shah,sometimes I reason from your “point of view” However,I am confident that “God exists” also,I amaware that “God” is spirit.”Spirit” is not comprised of “flesh and blood” neither is there any “gender” associated with God;which is neuter gender.

    Religion is an identifier.Spirituality is what we must attempt to accomplish.Recently the following made “headlines”…Where was God when millions of Jews perished at Auswich?

    1. … millions of Jews perished at Auswich?

      That’s a lie actually. See for a start.

      Also, to defeat every stereotype you have been brainwashed into believing about the Nazis and the so-called Holocaust, see

      Then google Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolph, David Irving, and some other names that escape me for the moment.

      Truth requires serious study of both sides of any matter. In this case, the so-called Jews have lied about the so-called Holocaust.


  6. Religion is man’s effort towards God. In all there is a sense of the divine. Most of us came with a blank slate and then religion confused us because a lot of what people believe lack reason. For instance slaughtering all those animals to re enact a past event does not make sense.

    Salvation is God reaching out to humanity. Man is spiritually blind because of sin in the human heart. Only the sacrifice of Christ satisfying the requirement for sin on the cross can make atonement for fallen humanity.

    1. KUDOS! “most of us came with a blank slate” All of us came with a blank slate.Church and state must never coalesce to “govern” A politician is elected to “serve” the people,and not to decipher the religious requirements of his/her constituents. AMEN!!

  7. Mamoo
    Read the Gita, especially chapter 4, and see what Krishna said, but keep your faith. Respect to all.

  8. We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.

    ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

  9. I am probably the most bible-quoting member of the blog, but like Eric Williams, I have little time for religion, and shun public displays of piety. I do so on biblical authority, which warned us of the failure of Gentile religion:

    “O Yahweh, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?” (Jeremiah 16:19-20)

    But the manifest failure of religion, is no condemnation of the Most High, who warned us of false religion, as above. Neither is it a condemnation of Yeshua, who warned us of false prophets, and of wolves in sheep’s clothing:

    “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:5)

    “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Matthew 7:15)

    So it should be no surprise that most religion, to anyone with a discerning heart, will not be worth the weekly communal prayer in which they engage.

    There is also a caution against making a show of public prayer:

    “But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.” (Matthew 6:6)

    So Williams had good instincts. By all means call a day of prayer, but this idea that we need to have “inter-faith” holding of hands in a public place, also leaves me underwhelmed. I don’t think the one true God — the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob — would have approved of inter-faith services. He had the prophet Elijah challenge 450 priests of Baal, after all:

    “And it came to pass, when Ahab (the king) saw Elijah (the prophet), that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father’s house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of Yahweh, and thou hast followed Baalim (other gods). Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel’s (Ahab’s domineering wife, a heathen) table. So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel. And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if Yahweh be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of Yahweh; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men. Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of Yahweh: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken. And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded. And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of Yahweh that was broken down. And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of Yahweh came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: And with the stones he built an altar in the name of Yahweh: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time. And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water. And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, Yahweh God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. Hear me, O Yahweh, hear me, that this people may know that thou art Yahweh the Most High, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. Then the fire of Yahweh fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, Yahweh, he is the God; Yahweh, he is the God.” (1 Kings 18:17-39)

    That should have settled the matter once and for all. But the sons of Jacob are nothing if not a harden’ people. That is why Yahweh scattered us out of the land, and why His children here in T&T are yet again confronted with the lesson that we failed to learn even after Elijah’s challenge to the 450 priests of Baal. There are many many varieties of Baal, and our people follow every one. Or we honour every one, out of political correctness. But there is only one Yahweh, the Most High, and only one Covenant that he entered into with His children, the children of Israel. We the “Negro” in these parts are by virtue of seedline subject to that Covenant, whether we like it or not, whether we believe it or not.

    Be that as it may, the one clear precept that we may take away from that story of Elijah is that the one true God is not impressed by numbers, nor by what is politically correct. The one thing that every true servant of Yahweh could be certain of on that day of prayer, was that no true servant of Yahweh would have participated — Forgive them Father they know not what they do. But for certain the true servants would have called privately in prayer to the Most High to bless this nation and to grant our new (and well-deserved) Prime Minister the wisdom and understanding needed to govern this land. There is nothing wrong with communal prayer as such, but it must be undertaken by those of like mind. It is hypocrisy otherwise.

    As to the 719 Muslims that died at Mecca while engaged in a ritual of stoning Satan, one may infer accordingly as to whether they were servants of the God of Elijah, or of Baal.

    I have to agree that it is well to ruminate about God and religion, especially given the many false prophets out there, some knowingly, others unknowingly. But that there is one true God, specifically Yahweh, the God of Israel, there can be no doubt. There is however a catch: “…the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” (Daniel 12:10).


    “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psalm 14:1)

  10. In the aftermath of the general elections results, there was an an explosion of hate mails on social media. The hate and rants expressed almost entirely by supporters of the UNC. The media, in keeping with its tradition of sharing the blame, made it known that it came from “both sides”, a trait well known and made symbolic by people like Ralph Maraj. It is not unusual for parties to loose elections. As a matter of fact, the UNC has lost more elections than any other party in the history of Trinidad and Tobago but this one! It was different. Why, you may ask was this one so very different than those in the past? It was different because there was so much dishonesty going around in every circle of communications available to the human ear, eyes and perception that the results disappointed expectations. One would have thought that a government rooted in corruption, overspending, racism, neglect, nepotism, ineptitude, incompetence, lies, hatred, undemocratic and lack of meritorious service would be destined to be rejected by the people. But this government was not one to believe that those qualities shared by a majority of citizens would dare kick it out of office. It installed it’s own Integrity Commission to tell us that under its democratically elected mandate, it was “fair”.
    It nominated a world renowned judge to be president that everyone hailed with acceptance on his inauguration with much hope and pomposity. It had a Chief Justice, with qualifications fitted for that position. It had a Police Commissioner, bright and educationally qualified (top of his class in qualifications). It had as it’s Finance Minister, a successful former CEO of one of the country’s best financial institutions. It inherited a Treasury full with oil dollars. In other words, it inherited prosperity without even trying hard to work for it. Yet, with all that going for it, it managed to upset the majority of people in a short space of time by the way it governed. The people of Trinidad and Tobago were ready, willing and able to tell the world that it too had made history by electing its first woman Prime Minister and felt proud to be counted in such high esteem.
    It did not take Kamla long to become swell-headed. She was adored by women, she was counseled and heralded by women of all races and organizational affiliations for attaining such a feat.
    But Kamla disappointed all but her ardent supporters that she was able to do the job. She became careless and arrogant in her approach to governance. She was so arrogant that she decided that as Prime Minister she did not want an Opposition so she elected to fire the Opposition Leader. This my friends, is the height of recklessness and arrogance that marked defeat for this UNC government. Leading to the elections we were inundated with
    “professionals” in the form of university professors appearing on television telling us how good the UNC government was, even after defeat some of them are still saying that. Every pollster and forecaster repeated the mantra that “Kamla is popular”, every poll reminded us that the UNC will return to power. Conversely, they were also simultaneous in telling us that Dr. Rowley was not as “popular” and that the PNM would loose. By this time, Kamla was perceived to be in the firm grip of the renowned racist Sat Maharaj. She had surrounded herself with a group loosely called “the cabal”. This was no ordinary “cabal”. This cabal’s aim and objective was to change everything from the way we knew it. The intent of this cabal was to:
    1. Develop the South
    2. Spending must be concentrated mostly in the south.
    3. Move the Capital city from Port of Spain to Chaguanas.
    4. Develop a creed of hindutva – for the hindu
    5. Placement of friends and family in high places
    6. Rid itself of all Afro managed public servants and replace
    with those of its own liking.
    7. All security services were to be headed by Indians. Like
    the Army, Police, Fire, Coast Guard, national security etc.
    8. Rather than develop a culture, there must be “multiculture”.
    9. Give preference to Indians in hirings for the public
    10. Faces in the foreign service (embassies and consulates) must
    show a higher number of Indians as opposed to Africans.
    11. Educational achievements must show greater numbers of
    Indians in the fields of medicine, Engineering, Sciences
    Finance and other higher fields of endeavour.
    12. Greater emphasis to be placed on the acceptance of hinduism
    by all.
    13. Perception of the culture must not be seen as Afrocentric
    but Asian.
    14. Government contracts to be given exclusively to Indians.
    15. The “inclusion” of government ministers must show Africans
    holding portfolios such as gender affairs, community
    development, culture or multiculturism, children affairs etc
    None of these ministries funded like the ministry of works
    or ministry of the people.
    16. ETc, etc etc etc etc.
    Point here is that this cabal was meant to govern for a long time
    and that longevity would persist by changing the constitution to ensure a UNC victory for every election, thereby dominating every aspect of life here in Trinidad and Tobago. Given the unanimity of predictions by pollsters that “Kamla was popular” and the UNC would be returned to power, that gave rise to the shift of power to the Indians. That was the perception created in no small measure, so when the results were made public on the night of September 7, 2015, there was and continues to be a feeling of betrayal on the part of UNC supporters, especially those with the mentality of Leladdharsingh. The “Leladharsinghs” and “Bissoons” were probably your most disappointed groups feeling a sense of betrayal by the electorate. Up till now they can’t believe it, so Kamla in keeping with that sentiment made sure that she take the matter to the courts for lawful pronouncement.
    In other words, the verdict of the Elections and Boundaries Commission is NOT ENOUGH. There must be a higher ruling on her failure to convince the electorate that she was the most popular leader in this election. Hindutva played a pivotal role in convincing the hindu especially that it was “we time” and “they
    stole it from we”. From my viewpoint, Kamla has conversely done more to garner the consciousness of the Afro Trinidadian than Marcus Garvey, CLR James and Uriah Buzz Butler put together.
    The cruelty and harm that her governance has done to this community is in keeping with the era of apartheid in South Africa. The mere image of her, conveys this perception and as long as the UNC continues with the nullification of the election, it would be ingrained in our consciousness. The use of African people like Vernella Alleyne, Rodney Charles, Gladiator, Skippy and other operatives to build a caricature of a Dr. Rowley who could not keep his penis in his pants and an Opposition Leader who “fabricated” the emails story cannot be forgotten. That remains in our consciousness and before thinking of being “fair”, we MUST first think about the attempt to “cleanse” us from the society that our forefathers worked so assiduously to build. From the African viewpoint Trinidad and Tobago is all we know. We did not have the luxury of inheriting a culture passed down to us by our ancestors because theirs were taken away from them. The steel drum is one such aspect of our culture and if given a chance Bhoe Tewarie and Brinkley Samaroo would take it from us and hand it to the Indian as its inventor. So, trust has become a major issue and Kamla has done more to negate that trust than any other Indian leader in Trinidad and Tobago.

  11. During centuries of slavery, ask the religious ones ,where was god and Jesus ,who was protecting them. Immediately after slavery, the white man made sure he implanted in the black man’s brains if he doesn’t follow the bible he will never be rewarded, by going to heaven, Now the black man is so brain wash ,that a blueyed blond hair European is coming to rescue them from poverty. black people for the past century, have no one to lead them ,no one to turn to , still waiting and praying. god. its so sad to see , the only lines black people are left with, IS, AND GOD SAID, FROM THE BIBLE.AND THE CYCLE COMES AND GOES AND THE BLACKS STILL SINGING, WE SHALL OVER COME SOME DAY, OVER WHAT THEY , BEING BRAIN WAS, THE ONLY PERSOS WHO GAIN FROM RELIGION ARE THOSE CROOKED PASTORS SOME WORTH 500 MILLIONS DOLLARS.

    1. The Bible is a book of law, history and prophecy concerning what you call the “black man”. It is our book, written by our forefathers the prophets, all of whom were sons of Jacob aka Israel, a “black man”. Yes that book has been twisted and perverted by any number of religions. The book itself says that would happen:

      “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:4-5).

      Nevertheless, you do not throw the baby out with the bath-water. Read the book for yourself, do not trust any religion’s interpretation. Know that the book said in particular not to trust any of the gentiles’ religions (which would include all various -isms):

      “O Yahweh, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?” (Jeremiah 16:19-20)

      Once you know that the children of Jacob (Israel) today are not the so-called Jews — who say they are Jews and are not (Revelation 2:9, 3:9) — but rather are notably and principally the so-called “Negro”, scattered to the West into slavery pursuant to prophecy (Deuteronomy 28:68), the prophetic destiny of the so-called “black man” will become clear. His history likewise will become clear. It certainly did not start with slavery.

      See, where I posted a series of blogs on the subject “The ‘Negro’ and his enemies from a biblical perspective” for more insight.

      May the Most High bless every sincere truth-seeker with the wisdom and knowledge that he seeks. May Yeshua lose none of those that the Most High entrusted to Him from the foundation of the world, and may all of us be returned unto the Rock whence we are digged.


      “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psalm 14:1)

      1. Let me hasten to add that Yeshua (aka Jesus) is a so-called “black” man according to the Bible; see Revelation 1:14-15, Daniel 7:9, 10:6. The reference to skin like “polished brass” should better be translated “polished bronze”, from the Hebrew term, “nehustan” (bronze). As a reference to skin colour, it is what today we call “black”. I don’t mind the term, as long as we recognize that no one is literally “black”; also, as long as we recognize that not all who we today call “black”, or “African”, or “Afrikan”, are sons of Jacob. We must also concede that not all sons of Jacob would today be called “black”; some indeed would be called “white”, the seedline descendants of Gehazi for instance; 2 Kings 5:27.

        Satan has set many traps for the unwary, who are misled by the logical brain-computer into this or that confusion of category based on land-mass (e.g. “Afrikan”) or skin-colour (e.g. “black”) as short-hand designations of identity. The only real marker of identity is seedline, confirmed nowadays by (i) the Y-DNA chromosome passed from father to son, and (ii) the mt-DNA chromosome passed from mother to daughter; in both cases regardless of land-mass, culture, or skin colour.

        Chancellor Williams wrote a famous book, “The destruction of black civilization” which falls prey to that error of category. All he had to do was read the Bible, and that story would have been better and more accurately told and foretold.

        Cry the beloved people, the sons of Jacob! May the Most High forgive our sins and transgressions, for we are if nothing else a harden’ seta people, and fulfill the promise He made to our forefathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.


        “But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.” (Daniel 7:18)

  12. And as I said the cycle continues, and god said and the said and verses quoted from the bible and the white owns everything and the black suffer. look around the world the poorest countries are the religious ones. what have we ,the Muslims, in the name of ALLAH, killing the Christians , all the Christians are praying and waving they bibles like lambs to the slaughter, who is protecting them.

    1. My brother:

      You seem to want not only to reject the Word of God, but also to decry it. Yet it is clear you have not taken the trouble to read it, let alone study it.

      Open the Book and study, asking for the guidance of the Holy Spirit as you do so.

      If it makes no sense to you, then chances are it’s not for you.

      “…but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” (Daniel 12:10)

      May the Holy Spirit guide the unwise unwicked into the learning that they lack.

      And may the Most High be merciful toward all His children for our disobedience, and abundantly pardon us, and also our forefathers, for our manifest and manifold sins.


      “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee…” (Hosea 4:6)

  13. Good for you , you will be saying and doing the same things 50 years from now, waiting and praying, to overcome , who other than yourself. I am a black man almost 80 , waiting to see my grand children grow up.

    1. My brother:

      May the Apostle Peter set you straight.

      “This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

      2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

      3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

      4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

      5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

      6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

      7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

      8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Yahweh as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      9 Yahweh is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

      10 But the day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” 2 Peter 3:1-10

      There is little that may be added to that. Be yet not “willingly ignorant” my brother.

      Most of us are unaware that the very earth testifies to the Great Flood, and God’s judgment. See for an introduction to “young earth” theory consistent with the Book of Genesis. If the earth is just 6,000 years old, that would put an end to evolution, which is inconceivable without billions of years to put it in. Your scoffing will trace back to that false “fixed idea” of evolution. Satan is not called the Great Deceiver for nothing. Take away his false evolution theory, and there is a God to answer to. The Most High is indeed long-suffering to usward, but there is promised a Day of Judgement. That Day is now very near. Your are of course free to continue to scoff, but I’d suggest you look carefully at the matter. There were those who scoffed at Noah also.

      May Yeshua lose none of those that were entrusted to Him from the foundation of the world.


  14. Although I will describe myself as a student of the Ancient Essene branch of Judaism, I personally do not try to impose my belief system on others as each person ought to perceive and interact with Divine according to his or her own cultural background or understanding.

    Hence, I am not going to be preoccupied with converting the Christian or the Atheist. Every person must not be coerced or intimidated into following the Way of Elah and must come of his or her own volition.

    What is really more of issue is how one lives his or her own life. Is someone’s belief system in harmony with the laws of the universe and how we relate to each other as human beings? The Creator hates it when we hate our fellow brother and sister. We can hate and condemn certain lifestyles and practices without necessarily hating the individual.

    Hence, the Muslim who murders premeditatedly is really no different from the non-believer or skeptic who murders. Both have violated the laws of nature and must seek forgiveness from the person against whom they have acted treacherously.

    I would also like to add that while holy books are guides to the cultural perspectives and understandings of the dominant cultures on which they are based, it is important to seek out wise, anointed leaders who can see beyond the limitations of mere book knowledge, as important in terms of fundamental understanding as it may be.

    To Mr. jrsmith, I understand your cynicism and frustration. Many religions are indeed escapist and encourage people to bury their heads in the sand and tap into their unique giftings to elevate their stations in life. Personally,I believe that there is no virtue in poverty and lack, but this is my personal philosophy. There may be those people who are satisfied with this sort of existence. We all have the freedom of choice to accept or reject our circumstances.

    1. We are all free to believe as seems right. That is never the issue.

      The issue is to find *knowledge*, and ipso facto, *right* belief. That is why Yeshua puts us on notice that there will be many false prophets, many indeed who claim to follow Christ, but in fact are wolves in sheep’s clothing. It will take effort to sort out who is who.

      It is tempting to throw up one’s hands, as jrsmith seems to want to do. But it would be another triumph of the Great Deceiver if he does so.


      “We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” (1 John 4:6)

      “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” (Hosea 4:6)

  15. “To Mr. jrsmith, I understand your cynicism and frustration. Many religions are indeed escapist and encourage people to bury their heads in the sand and tap into their unique giftings to elevate their stations in life”

    It’s a good thing I don’t proofread for a living. What I meant to say in the above sentence is that many religions do not encourage people to use their talents for their advancement and tend to be escapist

  16. The discourse here on religion and its juxtaposition with race has opened an avenue of opportunity for my thoughts on both.
    My personal belief on religion is it is supposed to…in its purest form…is to bring us closer to the Supreme. The troubling thing is that there are some religions that purport or support or believe…even teach…that you must be BORN in to it to access it. This is damning. If we all are scions of the One, how come only some are allowed to access the way back home. I’m not referring to the sinner / saint…sacred / profane mantra at all. I’ve come to the conclusion that any religion that supports this view is inherently racist, xenophobic and incongruent with spirituality. Someone in this discussion mentioned that DNA is the inference…now DNA, whilst remaining the same, engineers change or evolution in all aspects of life. Animals plants and humans are evidence of this. Without change or adaptations we would all cease to be. Could Hindus and Jews etc have adapted to the point where they are genetically predisposed to be racist? Now there are racists in all strata of society-but to practice it and have it as part of a religious REQUIREMENT of inclusion dos not seem right. Someone on this board should enlighten this confused writer. I just don’t understand the concept where we all start at Zero at birth but only some….due to DNA….because that’s what they are meaning….will not even be ALLOWED the chance at redemption and a way back to the WHOLE.

    1. The idea of a “Chosen People” is understandably a hard swallow.

      Nevertheless, Holy Writ is clear that God has indeed designated the sons of Jacob to be a special people, a holy people, designated by Him, purely by virtue of seedline, to be before Him a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation, which shall have dominion over all; Exodus 19:5-6, Deuteronomy 28:1-14, Daniel 2:44, 7:18, Revelation 5:10, elsewhere .

      The price of such rulership is righteousness, for the Chosen People are enjoined to rule in righteousness. For them to do so they must keep the laws of the Holy Covenant; Deuteronomy 28:1, elsewhere. Indeed failure to do so was to result, and has resulted in, the Chosen People being put by God far beneath even the stranger in our midst; Deuteronomy 28:43. But even so, the Chosen People, having presumably learnt our lesson, will in the end be raised up to fulfill our destiny; Daniel 7:18, Revelation 5:10.

      This may seem to those who allow themselves to be confused, a form of unjust racism. But this would be false.

      The distinction that must be made is that the Chosen are called to rule in righteousness. By definition, this is inconsistent with a system based on oppression, which God hates. God specifically enjoins the Chosen from oppression of the “stranger”, and of each other; Exodus 22:21, 23:9, Leviticus 25:14, 25:17, elsewhere.

      That is the crux of the matter. Satan seeks to confuse us with the idea that merely to see racial difference, is to be racist. Likewise, Satan seeks to confuse us with the idea that for one race to have the dominion, that is, to bear rule, is in itself racist, and unjust. Holy Writ says otherwise.

      Even amongst the Chosen People, it is one Chosen tribe, the tribe of Judah, that shall bear rule. And amongst the Chosen tribe of Judah, it is a particular line from which will come the kings. And from amongst the Chosen People, it is again a chosen tribe from which will come the priests, and a particular line, the sons of Aaron — in future the sons of Zadok; Ezekiel 43:19 — that will come the high priests.

      This is a rule of order, a form of aristocracy I suppose. It is a rule, not of oppression, but a rule whereby legitimacy is conferred by birth. As a practical matter, it has the benefit of ruling out contention for office and rulership, in which it is as likely as not that it is the unfit who gain office, e.g. battyman priests that are an abomination unto God, and Presidents and Prime Ministers elected under a “democratic” order, whose guiding ulterior motive is not to serve the people, but rather to rape and pillage the people’s treasury. There are lots of examples, some very close to home, which I leave the reader to supply.

      Holy Writ anticipates the objection to a rule of order based on seedline:

      “Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying, Yahweh hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. For thus saith Yahweh unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to Yahweh, to serve him, and to love the name of Yahweh, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. Yahweh Elohim, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.” (Isaiah 56:3-8)

      The Most High thus allows for the stranger — by definition one who is not of the holy seed — to take hold of Yahweh’s Covenant, and to be granted the same rights and obligations that are enjoyed/borne by those of the holy seed. Indeed, such strangers will be granted the right of return to the Holy Land alongside those of the holy seed:

      “So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith Yahweh Elohim.” (Ezekiel 47:21-23)

      Again, let us not fall prey to Satan’s deception that merely to posit the idea of a holy seed is to propose a damnable doctrine of racist oppression. The two are not the same. In any case, the idea of a holy seed; Ezra 9:2, elsewhere; is Holy Writ, therefore true and sure.

      The Brahminist system of caste oppression has its origin certainly in this concept of Holy Writ, but is an oppressive distortion of it. Likewise, the Edomite brethren of the Brahminists, the fake Jews that “say they are Jews and are not” (Revelation 2:9, 3;9; Daniel 11:14), have twisted this doctrine of the holy seed, into their doctrine of Zionism and one-world dictatorship under Zionist domination.

      But Yahweh is clear on the matter:

      “…yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau (Edomites) …” (Malachi 1:2-3)

      That too is Holy Writ, not what I say.

      Be all that as it may, Yahweh in His wisdom has let all seedlines to have taste of the dominion, and all have thus far failed in bearing rule with righteousness according to His law. Early Babylon under Nimrod, son of Kush (Ethiopia) was first to bear rule. Egypt, another name for Mizraim, son of Kush, also bore rule. These were black Empires. Early Israel, under David and Solomon, also bore rule for a time, but having failed to rule in righteousness, were scattered into all nations, as Moses had prophesied, some of us into slavery (Deuteronomy 28:68). There arose another Babylonian Empire, into which the children of Judah were scattered into the so-called Babylonian exile. Isaiah and Jeremiah had prophesied it. Then there arose, as Daniel prophesied, the Medo-Persian Empire, an alliance of the Shemite Elamite Persians and the Japhethite Medes. There followed the Japhethite empire of the Greeks. Then followed the 4th kingdom, within which the Edomites bore rule whilst ensconced and pulling strings behind the scenes of the various empires that arose within the 4th kingdom — the Ptolemies, Seleucids, Romans, etc., down to the present day, which is ruled behind the scenes by the Japhethite Khazar Jews, who had gone into alliance with the Edomite Jews. So all the seedlines of Ham, Shem and Japheth have enjoyed the dominion, but all with varying degrees of unrighteousness, with only David coming close to the righteous ideal, and even he falling short.

      The children of the holy seed, having failed, were scattered out of the Holy Land. But the promise of the redemption is that a remnant of the holy seed will again rise to rule, immediately following the end of gentile rule under the 4th kingdom; Daniel 2:44. Thereafter, that remnant will rise under Yeshua to rule in righteousness:

      “But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.” (Daniel 7:18)

      “And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:10)

      One final point: When Satan led the rebellion in Heaven, he took one third of the angels with him; Revelation 12:4. Just as Satan is already condemned to an ultimate end in the lake of fire; Revelation 20:10; so there are many souls which are condemned with him already. Despite all efforts, they will not hear the word of Yeshua; John 8:43-44, Daniel 12:10.

      All will have their just desserts, under a long-suffering and merciful God, for He has assured that He will abundantly pardon; Isaiah 55:7. But even so, those who are of Satan, will find ultimate damnation; Daniel 12:1-2. That is Holy Writ. Moreover, it is Holy Writ that has proved itself in the form of history unfolding exactly as prophesied under Holy Writ, most specifically in the coming into being of the kingdoms exactly as foretold by Daniel. Who am I to argue, or anyone else for that matter?

      A much longer disquisition may be given on this topic. And it is a topic very much deserving even lengthier treatment. But I rest here.

      May Yeshua lose none of those that were entrusted to Him from the foundation of the world.


      1. Erratum… should be “Mizraim, son of Ham”, not son of Kush, who was Mizraim’s brother.

        Also: it bears remarking that the holy seed today comes in all shades of colour. Those of the southern kingdom — Judah — are today principally and notably the “Negro” of the West, and the “Bantu” of Africa, “black” people. Those of the northern kingdom — Ephraim — are today principally and notably the Anglo-Saxon Israelites that became the battle-axe of Pax Brittanica and Pax Americana, “white” people. That in itself is a long story, with not a little trace of irony, for the Edomites have set these seedline brethren at loggerheads: niggers, coons, sambo, jigaboo etc. vs crakkas, rednecks, hillbillies, cowboys, etc. My point here is simply to note that the holy seed today comes in all colours, and could in thus be considered as intrinsically “non-racial” as say, Mandela, might mean.

        That is a long story that I have tried to tell elsewhere. It is put forward as a matter of fact, not a matter of ideology, or mere wish.

        Holy Writ prophesies that there will be an end-times reconciliation between Ephraim and Judah. Ephraim will no longer envy Judah, and Judah will no longer vex Ephraim; Isaiah 11:13. There is an antagonism that goes far back, between Ephraim and Judah, to the days of Rehoboam; 1 Kings 12. But Holy Writ guarantees reconciliation; therefore so shall it be. In a way, it may be a fulfillment of Mandela’s dream, and Martin’s.


  17. I am ok , I have found my black jesus, NELSON MANDELA. he is not a fake ,a man of so much influence, to have brought the world together at his funeral,somthing, no one could achieve leaders from so many countries, who have never shook hands, before, did so and embrace each other. we will never see this again. hail,hail, the blacks mans saviour. the great one. NELSON MANDELA.

    1. A man to be admired certainly, moreover an Israelite of the seed, foreshadowing the kind of people that will come to bear rule in the now not too distant future.

      Buttt… we must take care not to set up new idols…


      “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 1:25)

      1. Is this the brown man savior?

        It doesn’t work like that. Rather:

        “Yeshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)

        “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (John 6:37)

        I will say nothing bad about Mohan Dass Gandhi. But it is today clear that the hype built up around him as being some great soul, is just that. Hype. Dr. Ambedkar should have succeeded at the time in bursting that bubble. In any case, more lately, Dr. Annamalai eloquently deconstructs his Brahminist feet of clay.

        Would you say that Bob Marley is like the prophet Moses?

        No. Bob Marley was no Moses.

        He did a lot to raise the consciousness of the Israelite sufferahs worldwide. In that, he played his part well. And “Exodus” was conscious music, possibly even prophetic.

        Buttt… to the extent he seeded into that awakening, the nonsense attached to the Rastafarian movement — smoking ganja, deifying a mere mortal, i.e. Haile Selassie — he took our people away from the true path.

        Yahweh’s Law is the same today, as it was yesterday, as it will be tomorrow. The Most High is the Rock.

        “…For I am Yahweh, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” (Malachi 2:6)

        Deification of Haile Selassie, Ras Tafari, as the coming of the Conquering Lion of Judah, is a violation of the 1st and 2nd commandments. It is idolatry, pure and simple. Moreover, it is founded on provably false premises, so it makes no sense even on its terms.

        Furthermore, the idea that Bob Marley spread, wittingly or unintentionally, that wisdom and consciousness could be found in a spliff, is not the work of the Holy Spirit, rather of Satan. Satan is not called the Great Deceiver for nothing.

        This view will not be popular among the Israelite sufferahs around the world. But the word of God is not a matter of popularity. Therefore I do not mince words.

        All the same, may brother Bob enjoy God’s grace and mercy on the day of judgment, and may Yeshua lose none of those that were entrusted to Him from the foundation of the world.


        1. Astonishingly, David who was a sinner was referred to as the apple in God’s eye. He wrote Psalms and his son Solomon (who was referred to as the smartest man of his time) wrote Proverbs. Would you refer to them as Prophets? Why some preachers who committed adultery have been cast aside:

          Today, of the likes of Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mandela these men are not referred to as prophets?
          On the other hand we see people like Benny Hinn (preacher of Jeshua)who has a private plane and fly to Paris to get special edible nuts are worshipped to no end by followers all over the world, Why? Satan tempted Christ to convert stones into bread when he was hungry and in the wilderness.

          Why then there have been so many prophets that we do read about from biblical times but no modern day prophets.

          1. Those who are prophets know who they are:

            “And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I Yahweh will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.” (Numbers 12:6)

            By that criterion stated in Holy Writ, David was certainly a prophet. So also was Solomon. Indeed so also was Saul.

            All of them fell short in one way or another, letting us to know that there is no biblical precept that requires the prophet to be, or to have been, without fault before God.

            Moses, the greatest of the prophets, also fell short. For that reason, he was not allowed to cross the Jordan with the people he had led up out of captivity from Egypt:

            “And Yahweh spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying, Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession: And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.” (Deuteronomy 32:48-51)

            Prophets are held if anything to a higher standard. But to be a prophet does not make one without fault either before God or man.

            It means that prophets are above all else humble. Indeed the trespasses of the prophets — adultery, murder, failure to give God the glory, etc. — teach us the lesson that all sin may indeed be forgiven, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is the sin involved in Satan’s rebellion. It was motivated by pride, which therefore is the most dangerous of sins:

            “Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.” (Deuteronomy 11:14)

            So do not look for perfection in prophets, but look instead for humility, and for repentance. A good example is David’s Psalm 51. He wrote this after he had been convicted in his own heart by the sins he committed in the matter of Bathsheba and her husband.

            His plea was quite different from that of Saul, who rather tried to be “wrong and strong”; see 2 Samuel.

            Of all the sins, it is pride and self-righteousness that is the most dangerous. This is the failing of Esau that God hates. It is epitomised, regrettably,
            by Brahminist theology, and likewise by the fake-Jews who have deluded themselves into thinking that they will succeed in their quest for one-world government under their domination.

            God has them in derision:

            “Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against Yahweh, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: Yahweh shall have them in derision.” (Psalms 2:1-4)

            There are indeed many modern-day prophets:

            “And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.” (Isaiah 44:4)

            All have had their dream and vision and have been visited by the Most High. All who have been so visited are sons of Jacob; Deuteronomy 18:15, Psalms 147:19-20. They are not all “Negro”. At least one I know to be an American hillbilly: Brother William Branham.

            Part of the reason people think that there are no modern-day prophets is precisely because Satan has us thinking that Yahweh’s prophets must come across as “spiritual” in some other-worldly sense, and must appear to meet some ideal of perfection that the greatest prophets of the past did not display. The ones that so come across are almost certainly fake. By their titles — Swami-this or His-Holiness-the-other — you will know the ones who are no prophets of Yahweh.

            If anything, the true prophets of Yahweh, like Moses, and as typified by Jonah, often seek to run the other way when they are called. But there are others like Amos, who to their credit, take up the call immediately.


            “Surely Yahweh Elohim will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who will not fear? Yahweh Elohim hath spoken, who can but prophesy?” (Amos 3:7-8)

        2. Yoruba, Mohandas Karamchanda Gandhi was a racist, deceitful, caste minded Hindu. Check out the book “Gandhi Behind The MASK Of Divinity” by Colonel B. Singh & Also check out “Gandhi: Saint Or Sinner”. That TYPICAL racist, deceitful individual was lapped up by the international press (white owned) because like Martin Luther, he peddled 1 doctrine IN PUBLIC & ENGLISH that western colonials loved to hear which was to them not violent towards them while they were plundering. However, he wrote & preached quite differently in his own tongue, & numerous indian dialects which back then, unlike nowadays, hardly any westerners would have been able to translate & critique immediately. Check out “The Collected Works Of Gandhi…Vol 5-7 Dr. Bhimrao Babasaheb Ambedkar, who authored the indian constitution (British Appointed not caste Hindus) referred to Mohandas Karamchand “Mahatma” Gandhi as the #1 ENEMY of The Untouchables! Dr. Ambedkar knew that he had to LEGISLATE SELF GOVERNANCE for his fellow Untouchables/Dalits, because the upper caste Hindus (Brahmin, Ksatrias, Vaishas) who to this day control & dominate every aspect of Indian society i.e. Media, Judicary, Business, Law, Medicine etc. (as their wannabes are replicating in T&T)…would have been able to LEGALLY, wantonly abuse the dalits/untouchables. So as he was going to put self-governance for the untouchables, Gandhi, knowing the national and international cult power he had went on a HUNGER STRIKE to protest this move…sweetening up his true motives by saying that untouchables & hindus are one and shouldn’t separate. Therefore putting a big stick of murder and mayhem over the head of The Untouchables & Dr. Ambedkar! Think about it…if Gandhi had died during his hunger strike the caste hindus would have slaughtered them. So, Ambedkar had to abort self-governance for the untouchables which to this day they suffer for. But westerners didn’t understand this sleazy, conniving politics that gandhi was playing and the whole thing was propagandized into gandhi striking for “unity”… Rubbish he was fighting for the caste system (hindu theology) to remain intact! Remember gandhi has been quoted as saying that the caste system is the spine of hinduism and one cannot survive without the other! Also from then to this day many hindus con westerners into believing that the caste system is merely “voluntary, division of labour…to benefit the ‘WHOLE’ Society” Rubbish! It is racist, oppression and slavery, worst than anywhere else in this galaxy! Also the popular movie “Gandhi” which was released in the early 80’s and is credited with reviving the gandhi cultism, was paid for and vetted wholly, by the Indira Gandhi Government! That movie was & is a propaganda tool for the Indian government, Hindus & their diaspora. Also, even more relevant to africans everywhere is Mohandas Gandhi’s racist, Obnoxious, Oppressive, Deceitful behaviour why he migrated to South Africa. That bastard went to South Africa & incited the indian population there PUBLICLY (recorded) to violence, scorn & sectarianism against the indigenous Africans. During the second Boer Wars Gandhi VOLUNTEERED himself & his fellow Indians in South Africa to fight AGAINST the indigenous Zulu population uprising. This was called “The Bambaataa Rebellion” & ‘Sergeant Major Gandhi’ was given an AWARD for his service in that war against the Zulus in their own Damn country! Remember that fairy tale of gandhi being thrown out of a train car for sitting in a white only car & subsequently protesting for “all non-white rights”? That is a NASTY, STINK LIE! Gandhi was an upper caste Hindu who scorned low caste & No Caste Hindus and even worse africans….He was so obnoxious that he wanted to sit AWAY FROM the Africans & Low Caste Indians & tried to get in with whites…that is the true story! Listen gandhi is on record as publicly addressing the colonial government & denouncing africans as lazy, smelly & degraded to a level below indians & therefore indians should be given higher stature than Africans. ALSO he stated that “We Indians Also believe in Racial Purity as you do” (whites)…Gandhi was a conniving, hateful & Obnoxious human being…no low caste indian or no caste (T&T indians) or africans should speak well of that bastard. He should be protested against as the Indian Government sends its propaganda ambassadors to get gandhi statues and parks all over the world in an obnoxious fashion. In T&T under kamla it was done (A SLAP IN THE FACE OF AFRICANS). Africans in T&T should be mindful of the fact that although gandhi’s racism & racist beliefs (hinduism) is ness to them, the indian community as gandhi cultists, knew all along.

          1. “The Collected Works Of ‘Mahatma’ Gandhi” Volumes 5-7 clearly exposes his true racist hatred of African People.

          2. Thank you for making my point.

            Gandhi is probably an extreme case, where the man and the myth collide. “Great soul” he was not. In that I think we must all agree. But clearly he played a huge role in the defeat of the British Raj in India. So there was some factual basis providing the raw material for the later over-blown hype.

            Buttt… the main point is to guard against idolatry. We are not to worship the creature. Hero worship can too often turn into such idolatry. And as we see with Gandhi, truth becomes the first casualty.

            There, again, Eric Williams had good instinct. He said make no monuments to him. And scripturally he was right about that. But I hate it when people criticize public figures like Williams without crediting them for whatever good there was that fed the myth. Likewise with Gandhi.

            By the way, it is the same actually with Hitler. He may well have been a very bad man, the complete opposite of Gandhi insofar as the hagiography goes. But where the other side of Gandhi was a deeply flawed man such as you describe, a deeply flawed product of a deeply flawed religion and culture, there is another side of Hitler that we are not allowed to acknowledge. I am not a fan of Hitler by any means, but truth requires holistic treatment. War of course requires something different.

            At any rate, thanks for shining some much needed light on the other side of Gandhi.

            My main point remains: he was no Moses. He was no prophet of the Most High. And he was no “great soul”. But clearly it served Brahminist purposes to make the world believe such a myth.

            Nevertheless, only the Most High can penetrate the heart to see the truth therein. On the day of Judgement, we will know the real Gandhi.


            “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9)

  18. @,Yoruba, Israelite, hail,hail, cant you add to this forum, what you personally think of the past and future, without quoting verses from the bible. You seems to be so brain wash,cant think for yourself, just like most black people who claim to be Christians.

    1. It is only a servant of Satan, witting or unwitting, that takes exception to Holy Writ.

      I have no objection to personal opinion. Sometimes wisdom may be found in the mouths of babes. But the allergy that so many have to the Word of God is Satan’s work, you can be sure.

      That said, I’ll continue to post as I’m guided. What did Shakepeare say? If I’m true to myself, I can’t thereby be false to any man. You may of course take it or leave it, as you please.

      In the meantime, I’ll happily engage, on my terms, any worthwhile remarks from any source whatsoever.

      May Yeshua lose none of those that were entrusted to Him from the foundation of the world.


      “…but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” (Daniel 12:10)

  19. Yoruba, I have been following your submissions for quite some time and it is clear to me that you know your onions. If you can remember you left the blog site for some time and I did put out a call for you.

    I have had the experience when I was troubled considerably in some research work I was engaged in the 70s because it was defying all scientific logic only for myself to depart from the task and take a walk in a nature trail one day. What happened there and then was sheer intuitiveness that led me back into the lab and it was a revelation from then on.

    I have to state at the onset that there are some arguments you put forward on race and ethnicity of which I do not agree with fully. However, regardless, I am a disciple in the sense that to love the Lord you need to love your fellow being and I can state this much in every race and creed there are the good, bad and ugly. That’s why you would not get me bandying around as a follower to any politician but maintain individual viewpoints to the benefit of humankind.

    Before I close off, may I take the privilege to ask you, would you consider yourself a prophet? an intercessor? or having visits/interventions from the Holy Spirit?

    1. Thanks for the kind remarks. All who seek after knowledge of the one God in sincerity and in truth and in humility are in some sense brethren in Spirit, and on a journey of return to the same Rock whence we are digged. Certainly His Chosen have been scattered into all kingdoms of the world, and today come in all so-called “races” of Man. So in that regard we agree I think.

      Yes I was away for some time when I had no/little access to the internet and so fell away from participation. I was quite a recluse during that time, and still today I could be counted as at least half a recluse. I am trying to be obedient to God, and His call. Where He sends me I go, and have found that where I thought I was sent to teach, I have rather been sent to learn, and any teaching is by-the-way. It is quite humbling.

      I very much had my dream and vision. As a result, there are many things to which I testify. That is, it is not opinion or belief, it is testimony. In that, in some small-p sense, I am a prophet. However, I do not (and may not) claim that as a title. The title that I have been given, and do claim, is that of Nazarite Servant of the Most High, and of Yeshua. And yes, I have been called to the role of intercessor.

      At the same time, I have been chastised and rebuked repeatedly for failing in this or that of my Covenant obligations. So when I speak of the need for humility, I speak from experience!

      Like David, I must often humble myself and fall on my face before God and beg His mercy:

      “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions… Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” (Psalm 51:1,11)

      There is nothing that would leave me more bereft, than to lose the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I understand Abraham, who was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac, rather than fail in his duty to God. I doubt anyone can really understand that who has not walked that walk. For those on that walk, faith is no abstraction; it is felt in an almost physical way, as hunger is felt, as the loss of a loved one is felt. And so one seeks the reward of faith, and seeks to avoid the sanction which follows failure of faith. (Somewhere in there is the love of God, and the fear of God, both… another topic for another day.)

      I try to remain clear in my mind as to that which is *knowledge*, and that which is a *belief* that I entertain for the moment. When I contribute to the blog, I am conscious often of being guided. And I’m conscious that the Father does not want me contributing mere opinion to add to the general cacophony of opinion. Nothing wrong with opinion as such, but the Father wants His children consciously seeking after *knowledge* instead. It is a serious discipline. But the Holy Spirit is ready and indeed eager to bless those that seek it. Your experience on the trail may be one such. For Yeshua stands by His promise:

      “And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.”
      (Luke 11:9)

      So simple, yet so true. Especially a child understands this. But even those working in a Science lab may enjoy the promise, and moreover come into a glimpse of its profundity, as you clearly have.

      May all those who for the moment still scoff at the Word of God in all its sometimes simple profundity, have their eyes opened, and lose the Satan-engendered snares that keep them bound.


      “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.” (Romans 1:21-23)

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