A Time for Forgiveness and Rejuvenation

By Dr Selwyn R. Cudjoe
August 10, 2020

Dr. Selwyn R. CudjoeI have been a political activist and newspaper columnist for the past forty-five years. I have written for many newspapers including the New York Amsterdam News, the New York Tribune, the New York Times, the Boston Globe and the Baltimore Sun. I have never been subjected to as many invectives that I have received over my decision to support the UNC in this election.

Fitzgerald Hinds wrote: “There is no substitute for experience….. Equally, there is no substitute for the ability to ‘smell, taste, and feel,’ the presence of a Judas Iscariot, and to ‘hear’ the tinkling sound of his silver. As a lawyer, I also am able to recognize a contract…but remember that Iscariot did not benefit from his ‘ill-gotten cotton.'”

Keith Subero writes: “Nah…nah, Selwyn. Nah…nah. Not you…Not you. Don’t smoke that blend again, Selwyn, because it seriously damaged your head…irreparably.”

A distinguished member of the Black community wrote: “I salute you for your courage as undoubtedly you will be bombarded with criticism from PNM trolls over the next few weeks. Like you, I am a disillusioned supporter of the PNM….

“I also believe that Rowley himself is contemptuous of his own people preferring to seek advice from the 1 % and assuming that his Afro-Trinidad base will rally around him at election. I have no doubt that we will once again be sidelined if he wins, as happened during the past five years.

“The PNM has lost its way under Rowley and needs to return to opposition so that it can be reborn.”

Another person expressed a common dilemma. She wrote: “I was struck by the clarity with which you captured my sentiments. I want to thank you for that. This is how I feel trapped by my parents’ tribal voting for years. You are afraid to go against it even though in your own subconscious, deep down, you know it’s wrong. You feel that if you happen to think, feel, or do otherwise you may sin in some way.

“I know many, not only me, feel that same way so I want to thank you for freeing me with your article. I, too, support you.”

In February Aaron St. John invited me to visit his school in East Port of Spain. He wrote in passionate terms:

“I saw your article on Sunday. I was watching Ms. Juliet Davis blast u on Facebook and others who said all sorts of things because you endorsed Kamla. I support you 100 percent and all young African youths will support you and defend you for speaking the truth about PNM and how they have lost their way and Black young lives are not improving….

“You should publicly endorse Kamla and Ms. John and other African candidates before the elections on Monday and call on Black people to vote for Kamla. It’s the only way to help young Black people. You owe PNM nothing. If you don’t stand up now, u might never have the chance again….You are a man of letters and I admire you.”

A dear friend wrote: “Until the UNC as a political party, its leadership and supporters can leave the vile, racist, nasty name calling alone, and get out of their gutter brand of politics and focus on policy differences and being a better alternative to the PNM, the UNC will be consigned to the opposition benches where you all belong until you act as adults.”

My friend is a religious man and ardent church-goer.

I responded: “I thank you for sharing your views. I prefer notions of forgiveness, redemption and salvation. None has sinned so much that he has fallen short of the glory of God. I would rather say ‘I forgive’ rather than “I condemn” or ‘I curse.'”

That is why I was happy when Kamla, at her Thursday-Night-Forum, asked the country’s forgiveness her for any pain she caused her fellow citizens while in office. She said:

“I pledge that a new UNC government would not use its political or economic power to discriminate against anyone in our society. I am not a perfect person….I face the same stresses and pains that any normal person feels on a daily basis.

“We are human beings and all make mistakes that we regret and wish we could change. I feel sorrow, hurt, and pain when I see people affected by crime, lose their homes, and suffer in hospitals. It may be unbelievable to some but I care for and love all our citizens. I do not make any decision with spite, hate or vindictiveness in my heart but with the hope that I can improve people’s lives by my actions.”

I endorsed Jerlean John, a personal friend, publicly. She is a hard worker and a visionary. She is a spiritual person who places principles above powers and principalities; she is an ethical person who prizes honesty and accountability; a people’s person who recognizes that development begins and ends with people, the center of any democracy.

I also admire Jerlean’s rambunctiousness: the uncontrollable exuberance which she brings to everything that she does. Her enthusiasm and determination infect anyone who comes within her orbit. Like the late honorable John Lewis, the Georgia member of Congress, she just likes to make good trouble, necessary trouble. She possesses an ability to confront and shake up a system so that it works for all of the people.

The one negative cloud that has come over the UNC campaigning is the despicable portrayal of Black people in one of their ads. It’s abhorrent and should be condemned.

Whatever happens tomorrow, both parties should contemplate their position towards Black people. They, too, need to have their day in the sun.

33 thoughts on “A Time for Forgiveness and Rejuvenation”

  1. The UNC campaign denied any knowledge of the ad in question. Maybe it was created by the same miscreant who manufactured the fake emails accusing members of the former UNC government of murder which was presented to the parliament by PM Rowley and which was primarily responsible for the defeat of the government at that time.

    1. As a young black boy I was introduced to a book written by you on Dr. Williams. I have listened to your contributions on i95.5fm with Jerome and Mr. Umbala. I knew when you initiated NEAP and fought for the Status quo to remain at the Tacariiqua Savannah. I am now 59 I am asking what have you done for black people through NEAP? I am disappointed with your latest writings and utterances. You seems to be out of touched. All due respect but as an elder you all continuously fail us. Kamla did no help us between 2010 to 2015 when it had all the money. They stole it all but in 2020 she is the best thing for black people give me a break. She is the new Martin Luther King. Selwyn yes Selwyn just ride out into the sun set with you self glorified hug wash. You feel you talking down to illiterates thank God for PNM and GATE we can decern when someone want to excrete on us. That is why with the kindex finger we push it where it hurts and boy it hurt. So you and I are now cockroaches.

  2. I am beginning to think that it does not matter who is elected PM or which Party forms government. Historically not much changes.
    Both major parties basically have no political or philosophical positions grounding their movements. They both seem to follow the principle of spending and stealing, encased in some sort of free enterprise adventure. Both Parties have generous social programs and at election time they compete for votes by offering up more and more. Both Parties cannot rely on their candidates to hold key cabinet positions. They fill many important portfolios with unelected Party faithfuls. Both Parties indulge in crude electioneering and race baiting. After the election, the population will accept the government bestowed upon them. All will be well!

    1. Awwww, so whenever the UNC & let’s be honest, the indian community is exposed for their ULTRAanti-black, anti-african racism, their spin doctors’ tactics switch from blaming racism ON the PNM and africans, to trying to ‘generously’ ‘share’ the blame WITH the PNM and africans.Sociopaths!…What a disgustingly sick mindset…absolutely no room for shame, remorse or regret!

  3. Dr. Cudjoe,
    Your integrity is on the ropes…at best! Firstly, fitzgerald hinds, IMHO , only has the moral authority to label you as a Judas to the PNM…NOT to african people! I refuse to criticize or berate you for being disillusioned with the PNM,…but joining the very UNC, that you exposed as hatefully vengeful of african people, myopic and kleptomaniacs??? You were a judas since defending and publicly LAUNDERING the name & legacy, of that vile, racist, malicious scamp Satnarayan Maharaj. Now, predictably, you came out of the UNC closet, hiding behing the PNM’ neglect of africans? Please…intelligent africans KNOW, that a neglectful endlaved father (PNM), who shows the master’s children favouritism over his own, is MUCH BETTER than a mother’s perverse, deranged boyfriend (UNC), who wants to molest , torture and quite possibly END you! The fact that Dr. Vudjoe, you, would intentionally hide your betrayal of african people by conflating ‘the father’ with ‘the mother’s boyfriend’ invalidates your integrity.
    Ohhh…and as far as the racist ads Dr. Cudjoe…Crapaud should not take piggy back rides with scorpions across the river…!

    https://thewire.in/uncategorised/racism-is-every-bit-a-part-of-indianness-as-religious-bigotry-sexism

    https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/the-roots-of-indian-racism/article18061795.ece

  4. Yes Prof. clearly the elections showed that the PNM needs to address the cries from, ‘Their Base’.. but, one would think that you will have some dignity and recuse yourself from commenting on Afro-Trinbagonian issues….. from now on, don’t you think?

    Elections do have consequences… Bro.

  5. Just as in guyana, the indian community’s commitment to racism has destroyed Trinidad’s potential for progress. The only imbeciles who can be swayed by electioneering, songs and slogans, are african people. The psyche of the typical indian trinidadian is saturated with false justifications for anti-african racism taught by their parents, academic and religious leaders. The hatred of african people is institutionalized by organizations that consistently produce minds like satnarayan maharaj. Every year there is an official indian political holiday, that has been weaponized by indian political/social/religious leaders ( UNC), to attack african people via the PNM and demonise them in the impressionable minds of indian children, with state backing. No equivalent of this exists among african people! This is why UNC retains support no matter what they do, while PNM and africans will cyclically be mesmerized by electioneering, songs and slogans. All of those horrible acts committed against african people, as well as the greater society by the UNC between 2010-2015, and the racist indian community continues to vigorously support the UNC party. What do you think they will do the next time they get into office???

    https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/india/the-dark-face-of-indian-racism-1.61161168

    https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/yes-we-indians-are-racist_b_10473962.html

    https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/why-hinduism-and-the-viol_b_10059872.html

  6. I am too busy celebrating to get into a serious discussion, but I have to say in the last elections of 2015, about 378,447 people voted for the PMN; about 290,066 people voted for the UNC. You would probably see the same kind of results in this election. From what you hear in the media, you wouldn’t think so. You would think nobody or very few people support the PNM. Their voices are missing from the national media. They are the invisible people, the voiceless people, the media pretends they don’t exist. The media would want you to believe that everybody is a UNC supporter, they are visible everywhere, their voices are everywhere on the media. The media has created a reality of black insignificance, of black minority status, of black humiliation. The reality created by the media is a false reality. The stereotype and image created by the media has led to a perception of black people that is racist and we saw it in the UNC ads. Maybe UNC people didn’t see it, but that’s because that’s what they believe, that’s the image they have been fed by the media. So the problem is structural racism and the media relationship to black people is a large part of that problem. We need more genuine black voices in the media, not the sellouts, not the “house n….rs” as one trade unionist put it. One of the tools that Black Lives Matter is using successfully in the USA is the boycott. We need to learn to do that if we are to really change the abysmal portrayal of blacks in the media.

    1. The news of Kamala Harris being chosen as the running mate for Joe Biden should elate every Trinidadian regardless of racial background. Why? Her extraction speaks for what the world ought to be, her father is black, her mother Indian, she is what in Trinidad and Tobago we would call a “dougla”, she is American born and because of American ethnic culture, she is called an African American or black American. The future means that we could see history in the making come November 3rd 2020, Kamala could be the first woman and black Vice President. What a historical moment to look forward to!!!!.

      Unfortunately, our Kamla while loosing her bid to become our national leader, has chosen to further divide our country along racial lines. It did her no good to refer to Keith Rowley as “the black man” and when questioned. said her quote was “the blank man”. It did her and the country no good with her political ad
      with an Indian handing “a little something” to a little black person, because in her mind, under Rowley black people are not worth anything. This is sick and cannot bode well for the political future of the UNC and racial harmony in Trinidad and Tobago.

      A large portion of our country is bi and multi racial. The future of our country will depend on how we treat and nurture this growing population and they are sure in the best position to shape our culture in coming decades. The hold that hindu culture and beliefs nurtures in the UNC, will stymie its growth into national acceptance if the UNC sticks with its caste like
      hold on power. Because of our diversity, we can build a Trinidad and Tobago that can be the envy of the world. My fellow commenters like to call PNM “racist” but in reality the PNM has always looked like the population of Trinidad and Tobago. The UNC on the other hand almost always looked like India. As a matter of fact, while Kamla is trashing the PNM win in this year’s election, she is cheerfully congratulating the new Indian Prime Minister of Guyana.

      I take it that both black and Indian people will be celebrating the nomination of Kamala Harris and if she becomes Vice President
      there will be boasts from both sides as to who she belongs to. But that will be a good boast and one that both sides will be happy to promote for the sake of pride.

      Since Kamala is also of Jamaican parentage we must feel proud that our West Indian culture will be a feature in the reckoning of American culture and history.

      1. If they win Biden could die at his age and she be President. Not wishing him anything bad, just sayin.

        1. Mamoo, my friend, you do know that Kamala Harris is going up against Trump, your idol of whom you have written so many comments in support. You do know that Kamala Harris is also considered a black American. I really don’t know how you are going to juggle all those schizophrenic producing facts in your mind. Anyhow try your best.

      2. Well said Kian.
        Part of an interview with Kamala Devi Harris.
        Kamala Harris: My mother was very proud of her Indian heritage and taught us, me and my sister Maya, to share in the pride about our culture. We used to go back to India every couple of years. One of the most influential people in my life, in addition to my mother, was my grandfather P.V. Gopalan, who actually held a post in India that was like the secretary of state position in this country. My grandfather was one of the original Independence fighters in India, and some of my fondest memories from childhood were walking along the beach with him after he retired and lived in Besant Nagar, in what was then called Madras.
        He would take walks every morning along the beach with his buddies who were all retired government officials and they would talk about politics, about how corruption must be fought and about justice. They would laugh and voice opinions and argue, and those conversations, even more than their actions, had such a strong influence on me in terms in terms of learning to be responsible, to be honest, and to have integrity. When we think about it, India is the oldest democracy in the world — so that is part of my background, and without question has had a great deal of influence on what I do today and who I am.
        AH: Would it be true to say then that the roots of your civil rights activism began with those walks on the beach with your grandfather, as much as in your parents’ involvement in the civil rights movement in the US during their student days at the University of California?
        KH: It is important to not say one thing to the exclusion of the other, because I don’t feel the need to do that. They are of equal weight in terms of who I am and the impact that they had on me growing up. My grandparents used to visit us in Berkeley all the time. My grandfather and grandmother enjoyed the time they spent with people of all walks of life who were involved in the civil rights movement. I believe that one of the benefits of having traveled the world and having known different cultures is that you really understand and see very clearly that people, whoever they are, whatever language they speak, have so much more in common than they do differences.
        AH: Some Indian-American politicians like Bobby Jindal have, after winning election campaigns in which they sought and received the support of the community, sought to distance themselves from their Indian-American heritage. What is your view on how the ethnicity factor plays out?
        KH: I am proud to be who I am, I am proud of the influences that my family have had on my life, that my community had on my life, and similarly the influence of my mentors and colleagues and friends. One is not to the exclusion of the other — I believe that point is at the heart of this matter. We have to stop seeing issues and people through a plate-glass window as though we were one-dimensional. Instead, we have to see that most people exist through a prism and they are a sum of many factors — everyone is that way, and that is just the reality of it.

      3. Kian,
        Will you be elated and supportive when wade mark and (hema ramkissoon’s aunty) Susilla children enter politics? No?
        What about the children of (when of age):

        *Anthony Carmona & Reema
        *Anil Roberts (indian mother & wife)
        *Marsha Riley Walker (Indian Husband)
        *John Sandy (Indian Wife)
        *Jack Warner’s grandchildren (indian mother)

        https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2019/12/11/kamala-harris-couldnt-secure-black-support-race-president/4390457002/

        https://www.thelily.com/how-do-black-women-see-kamala-harris-theres-a-lot-that-raises-eyebrows-one-expert-says/

        https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/04/kamala-harris-black-voters-2020-075651

        Lineage and parentage matter for representation Kian. Kamala Harris’ father was not interested in african women or seen himself as ‘black’. She was raised mostly with her mom.

    2. Hello Birdie

      I really don’t see what this beating of chest etc to celebrate the PNM victory as though it was some huge achievement. My take is that it is another election stolen by the PNM. If you look at the election results maybe only a thousand votes separates the winner from the loser. In La Horquetta-Talparo the difference between the winner and the loser is only 495 votes. I have not seen the official numbers for St Joseph or Tunapuna or the official count for the total vote cast in favor of the UNC vs the PNM. Switch two seats and you have a different result.

      The fix has always been in favour of the PNM since the days of the Dr Williams. Here is how it works. If you take a close look at the eligible voters in each of the seats you will notice that PNM safe seats have fewer eligible voters than in the UNC safe seats (2015 figures) . For example in Port of Spain South the total number of eligible voters is 23,777 whereas in the Couva North seat there are 29,284 eligible voters. Another PNM stronghold Tobago East has even fewer voters, 21,980.
      This pattern plays out right across the country.

      The election map itself tell the true story. Most of the country do not support the PNM.

      Regarding who is more racist check what the leaders are saying. First we had the ” Calcutta Boat ” now we have a new word “Guyana-ise”.

      It is my view that stealing an election is a crime that is on the same level as genocide since it robs the current and future generation of their democratic rights and leads a country on the slippery slope to dictatorship.

      Celebrate my friends another five years of rising murder rates, unemployment, and criminal gangs run wild. You are now entering the era of the “Raging Bull”.

      1. How do you talk to losers? Well I think you just tell them – Get over it. Man up, or woman up or whatever. Try to see if you could improve your performance. Analyze what went wrong. Kamla Persad-Bissessar ran a lousy campaign. I am surprised she even got so many seats. I think it was just the racial voting of the UNC supporters that helped her. In 2015, about 378,447 people voted for the PNM; about 290,066 people voted for the UNC. I think it will be about the same this election. The UNC has to stop being delusional. There is a reality out there; sooner or later your delusions will come up against reality. Have a post-mortem, it may help in re-strategizing, or maybe not. All I can say is personally, I am thankful that this UNC, this corrupt bunch of thieves and crooks didn’t get back in government. And I am sure, at the rate they are going, they may never do so. Take a holiday somewhere, have some bananas, relax.

        1. My friend Birdie the real numbers are in the popular vote which I understand are not official yet.

          Under colonialism, the British controlled a vast empire stretching across the Globe for more than 200 years through a simple divide and rule policy. Divide them by race, religion, colour, caste, or whatever it takes but keep them under the British knee.

          PNM strategy has been the same since the days of Kamal and Dr Williams, and so far they are doing well. Divide the opposition, play the race card as often as needed and sit back and loot the Treasury from one generation to the next. Already more than 50 years in power and another five more to go.

          Why so many disadvantaged Black Youths in the PNM strongholds after all these years?

  7. The indian UNC politicians have always behaved recklessly, like spoilt children because the indian community treats them like hindu gods & godesses without and accountability.

    Watch…The “Brahmin” Goddess…child?

    2015 Kamla: Victory is ours https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2.357206.abdf1f53db

    2020 Persad-Bissessar: I am not conceding, we want recounts https://newsday.co.tt/2020/08/10/persad-bissessar-i-am-not-conceding-we-want-recounts/

  8. My brother makes a point of saying that “the blackman’s downfall is the educated blacks”. Professor Cudjoe emblazoned that point when he stated his background as an activist, educator, board member of the Central bank, journalist (and yes, a black leader), even though that one is silent. He neglected to mention that he is also a former ‘black leader’ , heading a organization intended to uplift black people – NEAP. So, with that as a background, he cannot now relegate himself as merely an individual with journalistic capabilities, who made a poor political choice and is now seeking ‘forgiveness’ . HELL NO!!!!

    He is someone not much different from Dr. Eric Williams, C.L.R James, Uriah Butler or Brian Lara. In other words, he lead us
    by example, he became an exhibit of what success and learning can accomplish, when you struggle from black poverty. That, is what we (the uneducated), are supposed to learn from, in our quest to ‘making it’. The reason we save history, museums, artifacts and honor for those who have travelled difficult roads,
    is to ignite the imagination of those who come after us. And this is where the professor has failed us. When he writes of his friendship with Sat (a renowned racist), his admiration for Sophia Chote (a renowned Indian jurist), his admiration for Cheddi Jagan (a former Indian prime minister of Guyana), making excuses for Kamla Persad Bissessar (an uninspiring Indian politician) and at the same time thrashing the African compatriots with whom he struggled and overcame, he is in fact taking us backwards NOT FORWARD.

    The reason we celebrate black accomplishment is because we were relegated to two-thirds of humanity by those who enslaved us. We were forced to build cane fields (like Caroni) from forest to producing sweet products that the western world cannot do without. Today, when Caroni is spoken about, one gets the impression that the Africans were merely onlookers and the indentured Indians the real victims. We expect people like Dr. Cudjoe exploit these crosswinds in our history and clarify true history so that we can catch up with twenty first century thinking. That is why we celebrate people like Dr. Rowley because he has taken us from the precipice and taken us to safer ground on the hill. That is why we celebrate Kamala Harris, because we have come a long long way from the cane and cotton fields to leading nations. And yes, that is why we remember Dr. Eric Williams, because he was brave enough to challenge white supremacy and educate and inform us into enlightenment.

    The criticisms leveled at the professor is warranted because he cannot relegate himself to being a mere journalist with a history of information. He climbed the ladder and there were those who were following him and he let us all down.

    1. Ahhhh Kian, yuh BRIGHT!

      https://www.caribbeanlifenews.com/black-mens-love-for-indian-mixed-white-women/

      I think it was this interview where he injected hema’s “beauty” into the conversation
      https://direct.cnc3.co.tt/morning-brew/prof-selwyn-cudjoe-concerned-about-wealth-distribution-tt

      Tell your brother that education and literacy are two different things!Why should you trust a Mathematician on matters of history, integrity and social justice? ? Literacy is vital, but an educated, conscious spirit…even more so ! Patrick Manning was a respected geologist…He gave billions of dollars…Tens of thousands of acres of land to almost exclusively to indians, because his indian friends/advisors told him they deserved it because they had worked the land (exclusively). Manning wasn’t genuinely educated on african history… he was an afro-saxon!

      …One of many!

      This is an example of a literate AND educated indian
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRmkJh4P4bg

  9. The Prime Minister’s declaration on election night ,
    “Great is the PNM, great is the PNM, we shall prevail”, speaks volumes.
    No mention of the opposing parties, no generosity in victory.
    No congratulations to opponents, only kind words for his winners.
    The UNC’s recount adventure seems like an act of desperation.
    No hope for T&T! No graciousness in victory or defeat .

  10. The UNC apparently won the popular vote by over 50,000.
    How does this impact the policies of the PNM?
    The results also show that the UNC received support from voters across ethnic lines.
    But the PNM was predominantly re-elected by Afro-Trinidad.
    Tobago with its solid African vote plays a very significant part in the success of the PNM.
    Election results should be carefully analyzed to chart a way forward for the constitutional future of T&T and the will of the majority of its citizens.

    1. Siewdath…Did you do similar analysis in 1995? 2010?

      We don’t care…just like you didn’t

  11. UNC 2020 ELECTION RESULTS
    202,584 votes
    54.38%
    PNM
    161,962 votes
    43.48%
    Congratulations to the PNM, but this result indicate that something is wrong with the entire structure of “democratic” elections in T&T.

  12. Hello Birdie

    I really don’t see what this beating of chest etc to celebrate the PNM victory as though it was some huge achievement. My take is that it is another election stolen by the PNM. If you look at the election results maybe only a thousand votes separates the winner from the loser. In La Horquetta-Talparo the difference between the winner and the loser is only 495 votes. I have not seen the official numbers for St Joseph or Tunapuna or the official count for the total vote cast in favor of the UNC vs the PNM. Switch two seats and you have a different result.

    The fix has always been in favour of the PNM since the days of the Dr Williams. Here is how it works. If you take a close look at the eligible voters in each of the seats you will notice that PNM safe seats have fewer eligible voters than in the UNC safe seats (2015 figures) . For example in Port of Spain South the total number of eligible voters is 23,777 whereas in the Couva North seat there are 29,284 eligible voters. Another PNM stronghold Tobago East has even fewer voters, 21,980.
    This pattern plays out right across the country.

    The election map itself tell the true story. Most of the country do not support the PNM.

    Regarding who is more racist check what the leaders are saying. First we had the ” Calcutta Boat ” now we have a new word “Guyana-ise”.

    It is my view that stealing an election is a crime that is on the same level as genocide since it robs the current and future generation of their democratic rights and leads a country on the slippery slope to dictatorship.

    Celebrate my friends another five years of rising murder rates, unemployment, and criminal gangs run wild. You are now entering the era of the “Raging Bull”.

  13. So I am getting into their minds. Baba Selwyn is being replaced by Birdie. Tariqandalus is now going to address all his comments to me. I am like the light of truth in their minds. All the fake news, the misinformation, the lies, the propaganda, it’s all being challenged now. They lied and said UNC won the popular vote. It’s an entire UNC community living in a state of delusion. How do you de-propagandize a cult? That is the question. It’s a process; it’s going to take time. First their propaganda is challenged. They have to rationalize, convince themselves, reassure themselves, stoke the hate, continue the lies. But then the illusionary world starts to decay, reality starts to bite, truth starts to seep in. Baba Selwyn and his likes begin to seem like false prophets. Then, after a while, their whole world of illusion crashes. Truth enters.

  14. Both parties. That is what was mention most in your contribution. Playing smart with stupidness. Take a position cowardly approach I am sure your are aware it no so.

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